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Old 26th May 2024, 13:18
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Originally Posted by highwideandugly
TCAS Fan and SWBKCB are spot on..cast your minds back to the original rumours that Sobarts idea was to have a new logistics centre , using the bait of a local airport to help subsidise and get their plans through.It was pretty obvious to all..so here is it…take 2!
From the BBC ‘The company said it aimed to provide the site with “long term economic purpose”.

It says nothing about aviation.
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Old 26th May 2024, 13:26
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The full sentence from the statement is:
The site will continue to operate as an aerodrome and it is intended that, subject to planning permission, at least £5m of investment will be made into the site, creating quality sustainable jobs and providing the site with a long-term economic purpose, which also addresses the grant previously received by the airport pre-Covid.”
The grant relates to funding for the runway.
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Old 26th May 2024, 17:31
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Originally Posted by Flightrider
Is Andrew Tinkler in the back of this somewhere ?
I'm not entirely sure whether he's involved directly. But, he was CEO of Stobart Group when they went into the biomass venture with AW Jenkinson back in 2010, as per this article, Esken (formerly Stobart Group) obviously couldn't possibly be seen to publicly handing over an asset to a former CEO who they fired and then got dragged through the courts on multiple occasions - even though they ultimately won the case(s). He'll likely know the people at AWJ that are behind this move and it would surprise me if he doesn't have some sort of connection/role within it as I believe he still has involvement with Apollo Air Services, the helicopter company based at the airport.

Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
I am not stupid. This is all about restoring a twice daily service between Carlisle and London Southend with Dublin and Belfast thrown in for good measure.
Is it, and if so, how do you know this...?!

As TCAS FAN has correctly pointed out, they'll need to go through the process of getting the controlled airspace reinstated and reobtaining the necessary licenses before commercial passenger services would be able to resume. I very much doubt that this can/would be achieved on £5m.

I suspect that £5m will more than likely be used to build another distribution centre to support AWJ's logistics/transportation division. But, there's still 52,635 sq ft (4,890 sq m) of prime warehouse / distribution space available within the existing Stobart Distribution Centre at Eden Park - if you look at the brochure from the linked site, there are ideas contained within that "...for industrial warehouse and distribution buildings."

It'd be great to see the Solway Aviation Museum relocated to a new area by the 'Development Land' as visitors can then access it far more easily from the roundabout at the A696 rather than having to go right round to the back by the old ATC tower/entrance.

Originally Posted by Alteagod
Would love to see the Belfast route back but in a just supposing world, who would operate it now that LM have parted ways with the Saab ?
Well, an obvious answer would be Aer Lingus Regional (Emerald Airlines) with an ATR72-600 as they could help to connect CAX with BHD, and possibly also DUB as this could/would provide connection opportunities to/from the USA for the international tourists who wish to visit the Lake District.

Originally Posted by runway30
Eastern? 😂
Given the fact that Mr Hinkles has departed from Loganair and they're now focusing on improving performance on their Scottish routes under their new CEO, I don't see them ever going back to CAX in the future.

Eastern may consider operating flights either as themselves or possibly on behalf of another start-up, however my own dealings with them whilst attempting to establish Lakeland/Avooma has been less than impressive to say the least, and we all know what they're like reliability-wise whilst operating ACMI contracts; the other regional operators would be Aurigny or Blue Islands, however they'd likely only offer occasional flights from/to GCI and JER.

Would the likes of EcoJet or BeRegional be tempted to look at it if/when they can get going...?!

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Old 26th May 2024, 17:35
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When did CAX have controlled airspace? Could the 'terminal' cope with a full Atr-72?

While you can never say never, my understanding is that the intention is to focus on growing GA and there are no plans for airline services.
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Old 26th May 2024, 17:59
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
When did CAX have controlled airspace? Could the 'terminal' cope with a full Atr-72?
Didn't it used to have controlled airspace prior to when Esken voluntarily revoked the commercial license(s) last year...?!

I believe the terminal might just be able to handle a full ATR72 - the area after security held approx. 50 or so passengers and then there is the lounge area located to the left of the check-in desks, where premium passengers could wait prior to boarding, although I don't know how many of the people who previously flew from CAX actually paid the higher fare(s) for this.

An ATR42-600 and/or possibly the new D328eco would be a better/ideal aircraft choice.
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Old 26th May 2024, 18:19
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Didn't it used to have controlled airspace prior to when Esken voluntarily revoked the commercial license(s) last year...?!
No, it didn't.

The terminal was aimed at a/c up to Atr-42 size. Academic discussion anyway.
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Old 26th May 2024, 20:13
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No point with an RNP approach for the Mighty J41 as it can't fly them.

Be better turning the NDB and DME back on.
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Old 26th May 2024, 20:43
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The Article is from 2010. Alan Jenkinson was a major Shareholder in Stobart for about 10 years. Esken are in Administration and all Assets apart from Southend Airport are being sold by the Administrators. So there would appear to be no impediment to Andrew Tinkler becoming involved again.
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Old 26th May 2024, 21:33
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Originally Posted by jmdavies86

Would the likes of EcoJet or BeRegional be tempted to look at it if/when they can get going...?!
Not in a million years if they have any sense. Loads and yields were both through the floor the last time so unless there was some serious underwriting going on then it just won't happen.
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Old 27th May 2024, 11:30
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Which is why there was some serious underwriting going on last time!
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Councillor Tim Pickstone (Longtown, Lib Dems) directed his question, which was taken as read, towards council leader councillor Mark Fryer (St Johns and Great Clifton, Labour).

In his question he said: "Could the leader inform members what discussions have been with the new owners of Carlisle Lake District Airport about maintaining the potential for a return of commercial aviation and whether the council will continue to work with the owners to secure the return of flights to Carlisle?"

Cllr Fryer said: "There was some significant interest in it, not just one set of buyers, but at least two. We have been talking to all parties during that time." He said that the council remained the landlord of the site and added: "The new owners have confirmed that the site will continue as an aerodrome. Cllr Fryer said that it could create sustainable jobs which would benefit the area's "long term economic future".

Cllr Pickstone asked whether Cllr Fryer agreed that bringing commercial aviation back to Carlisle Lake District Airport would be a significant boost to the local economy and that he would continue to use every opportunity to work with both the airport, airlines and business partners to bring back flights to the city?

His immediate response was "absolutely”, and the previous owners had been spoken with at length but, post-Covid, the market had become volatile, particularly destinations including Southend, the north east and Leeds. But he added: "We are open for business, aren't we?"
https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/2...trict-airport/
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