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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 22:37
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Looks like this is going to franchise operation Air France and Eastern that will happen later in the year
Which looks to be more routes and code share later in the year
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Old 16th May 2023, 06:52
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I see G-SAJD is departing Teesside for maintenance work at the Embraer OGMA facility at Alverca, near Lisbon as per the Teesside movements site.

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Old 16th May 2023, 08:50
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I see G-SAJD is departing Teesside for maintenance work at the Embraer OGMA facility at Alverca, near Lisbon as per the Teesside movements site.
Being discussed on the Loganair thread?
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Old 16th May 2023, 15:15
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Eastern have all but killed the MAN-SOU route. I know the market can’t sustain the Flybe 6 a day flights, but Eastern can’t hold on to one or two a day now.
So unreliable, stop, start, 1 flight then 2 flight then none.
They are selling seats in October but can’t guarantee they will be operated.
Trains are so unreliable and expensive, I’m now using BA to LHR as the only option.
my recent cross country train experience was 7 hours & costly, but there is no air alternative for a day return.
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Old 16th May 2023, 15:54
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Originally Posted by Mr A Tis
Eastern have all but killed the MAN-SOU route. I know the market can’t sustain the Flybe 6 a day flights, but Eastern can’t hold on to one or two a day now.
So unreliable, stop, start, 1 flight then 2 flight then none.
They are selling seats in October but can’t guarantee they will be operated.
Trains are so unreliable and expensive, I’m now using BA to LHR as the only option.
my recent cross country train experience was 7 hours & costly, but there is no air alternative for a day return.
The route was for many years SOU best performing with over 200k pax annually, how times have now changed!

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Old 16th May 2023, 16:01
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The railway bridge near Didcot being closed means trains between Manchester and Southampton are not a useful option until early June. In a month's time, when repairs are complete, trains should become viable again (albeit on the slow side)
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Old 19th May 2023, 14:57
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Eastern has added a further E170 to the fleet, although both have yet to be delivered. Any suggestions as to why?
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Old 19th May 2023, 18:45
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Eastern has added a further E170 to the fleet, although both have yet to be delivered. Any suggestions as to why?
Another vanity project by the MD probably.
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Old 19th May 2023, 19:58
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer
Another vanity project by the MD probably.
Indeed, pay per flight and pay zero when it’s on the ground doing naff all. Not a bad deal when you also have good terms with the airport you’re based at.
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Old 23rd May 2023, 09:28
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It looks as though the EMA-ORY service is getting delayed pretty regularly and presumably to wait for the crew from the previous night's ORY-EMA to be back in hours the next morning? Same seems to be happening only not quite as often down in NQY on the LGW route. Are they really that short of pilots?
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Old 23rd May 2023, 13:35
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Originally Posted by Saabdriver1
It looks as though the EMA-ORY service is getting delayed pretty regularly and presumably to wait for the crew from the previous night's ORY-EMA to be back in hours the next morning? Same seems to be happening only not quite as often down in NQY on the LGW route. Are they really that short of pilots?
They seem to be doing a lot more charter work and don’t mind cancelling a scheduled route to accommodate a charter. I guess they know their scheduled routes are never long term so who cares about goodwill. I don’t get why the SOU-MAN route which they have a monopoly on has fallen away. Used it a few times and loads seemed good.
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Old 23rd May 2023, 21:06
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
They seem to be doing a lot more charter work and don’t mind cancelling a scheduled route to accommodate a charter. I guess they know their scheduled routes are never long term so who cares about goodwill. I don’t get why the SOU-MAN route which they have a monopoly on has fallen away. Used it a few times and loads seemed good.
Completely agree. I was using it roughly twice a month and the loads were getting better and better. My final flight with them on 21/05 (which was covered by an airline called DAT) was the first time I had a seat neighbour! It makes little sense to can it going into the peak season for cruises.

I agree with what has been said up-thread... they have pulled to route to focus on charters and the new Air France ORY feeders, which I'd imagine involve very little commercial risk for Eastern.

I really hope another airline picks up the route soon. I'll be journeying down to the south coast by train for the first time next week - just under 6 hours as opposed to 45 minutes! (and 50% more expensive)
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Old 24th May 2023, 12:51
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
They seem to be doing a lot more charter work and don’t mind cancelling a scheduled route to accommodate a charter. I guess they know their scheduled routes are never long term so who cares about goodwill. I don’t get why the SOU-MAN route which they have a monopoly on has fallen away. Used it a few times and loads seemed good.
Indeed. I recall a few years my morning flight from Aberdeen to Wick was cancelled at the time when they operated a flight for Christine Ourmières-Widener to Shetland to prove that Flybe were on the route to stay!
EU 261 was paid on a £79 fare.
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Old 24th May 2023, 23:20
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While the the management team at Eastern have ensured the airline survives while others have failed, is there an element of them holding it back also? When Flybe failed they had an opportunity to grasp but their apparent penny pinching gives the impression they don't have the management experience to move forward? Are they to reliant on oil money to be dynamic to grasp commercial opportunities?
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Old 25th May 2023, 05:48
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Originally Posted by Fletch
While the the management team at Eastern have ensured the airline survives while others have failed, is there an element of them holding it back also? When Flybe failed they had an opportunity to grasp but their apparent penny pinching gives the impression they don't have the management experience to move forward? Are they to reliant on oil money to be dynamic to grasp commercial opportunities?
The only reason Eastern have survived is because the owner has pumped huge sums of his own money into it to keep it afloat. He just can’t bear to see it die. It’s been like this for years now. Any other “normal” company would have been wound up long ago!

There has never been a company strategy other than just lurch from side to side picking up bits of work as and when they come their way and very much depending on the mood of the day of the MD. Eastern was riding the wave of utilising the J41s which he got for pennies, donkeys years ago. It’s a vile place to work and the day to day disorganisation is staggering to witness, but on the plus side, it has given many pilots their first flying job and a foot on the ladder.

The staff have always been Eastern’s best asset- treated like crap but always went above and beyond the call to bail out the company, time and time again. Don’t think there’s many of the true original staff left now. Many good guys were given the push around the pandemic and then shortly after asked to come back as they had miscalculated things. You couldn’t make it up! Shambles.
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Old 26th May 2023, 00:14
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The only reason Eastern have survived is because the owner has pumped huge sums of his own money into it to keep it afloat. He just can’t bear to see it die. It’s been like this for years now. Any other “normal” company would have been wound up long ago!

There has never been a company strategy other than just lurch from side to side picking up bits of work as and when they come their way and very much depending on the mood of the day of the MD. Eastern was riding the wave of utilising the J41s which he got for pennies, donkeys years ago. It’s a vile place to work and the day to day disorganisation is staggering to witness, but on the plus side, it has given many pilots their first flying job and a foot on the ladder.

The staff have always been Eastern’s best asset- treated like crap but always went above and beyond the call to bail out the company, time and time again. Don’t think there’s many of the true original staff left now. Many good guys were given the push around the pandemic and then shortly after asked to come back as they had miscalculated things. You couldn’t make it up! Shambles.
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Old 26th May 2023, 05:14
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I had a brief experience of this company many years ago and I have never witnessed such carnage in my life. Disorganised is not the word I would use !!
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 13:16
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Any idea of load performance on ORY from the 3 U.K. regionals?
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 19:01
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Any idea of load performance on ORY from the 3 U.K. regionals?
The EMA sector is a mix. Midweek it seems to be carrying about 25 to 30 then later in the week and weekends about 50 to 60.
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Old 28th Jul 2023, 10:31
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Eastern E190 G-CLSN here at London City this morning flying circuits for the steep approach. Haven't seen them here for some years. Have they picked up some subcharter work here ?
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