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Old 24th May 2022, 22:15
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I wonder if these guys have actually run the performance on a Saab 340 departure ex LCY. Although technically the aircraft can do it (and I believe an operator did in the very distant past), the single-engine climb performance calculation with obstacle limitations is going to leave a commercial payload of next to nothing. Admittedly that might not be a limitation at 800 Euro return fares, but it seems like an unorthodox business model.
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Old 3rd Jul 2022, 08:04
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In the consultation plans released today, the airport sets out how it can play an important role in meeting the increased demand in London, as well as providing more choice and flexibility for travellers planning business and leisure trips domestically and internationally. Most importantly, growth to 9 million passengers a year can be delivered without requiring any additional infrastructure and ahead of longer term, strategic, aviation planning decisions for other airports in the South-East.

Following the publication of the airport’s master plan in 2020, the airport is inviting views on additional flexibility to operate on a Saturday afternoon and evening, as well as additional flexibility in the first and last half hour of daily operations (0630-0700hrs and 2200-2230hrs).

The plans come with a commitment from the airport that only cleaner, quieter, new generation aircraft, such as the Airbus A220 and Embraer E2, would be allowed to fly in the new operating periods. This would bring forward the delivery of more of these aircraft to the airport and allow better connections to new destinations.
https://media.londoncityairport.com/...ng-permission/
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Old 3rd Jul 2022, 08:42
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There is no way on earth the current terminal can support 9mpa. At 5 million pre covid it was already tight and that’s why they started developing the new one.
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Old 3rd Jul 2022, 10:03
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If the weekend 24h curfew were removed... I imagine a 6-day capacity of 5m could easily become a weekly capacity of 6.25m or even 6.5m, especially after allowing for the current side effects of this weekend constraint

Separately, L'Odyssey seem to have taken tickets to Deauville off sale
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Will be interesting to see what plans BACF have with regards to fleet renewal on the back of this!
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Old 3rd Jul 2022, 11:03
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
If the weekend 24h curfew were removed... I imagine a 6-day capacity of 5m could easily become a weekly capacity of 6.25m or even 6.5m, especially after allowing for the current side effects of this weekend constraint

Separately, L'Odyssey seem to have taken tickets to Deauville off sale
Who would have thought that €800 for a 1hr flight on a Saab340 wouldn’t be snapped up!
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Old 3rd Jul 2022, 13:10
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The weekend hours limitation has an impact well beyond the actual closure. It prevents aircraft being used on Saturday mornings on the increasingly popular LCY flights to many Mediterranean points, because departing after 0700 it is marginal to get back by 1230, in case of any delay and all the expense of diversion, so the whole rotation is not attempted. It also stops the high end sports charters that would suit ideally the mainstream football teams, etc, returning after the event on Saturday evening, and again the whole thing is lost to LCY both ways.
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Old 3rd Jul 2022, 22:58
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This is one of those rare occasions when NIMBYs have my sympathy.
1) No Airport
2) Only Dash 7s
3) No jets, obviously
4) OK, only the world's quietest jet
5) Transatlantic Airbuses!!
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Old 4th Jul 2022, 14:48
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
This is one of those rare occasions when NIMBYs have my sympathy.
1) No Airport
2) Only Dash 7s
3) No jets, obviously
4) OK, only the world's quietest jet
5) Transatlantic Airbuses!!
I was lucky enough to fly on the BabyBus. Great fun
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Old 4th Jul 2022, 15:00
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Interesting the proposal to allow only the A220/E2 on Saturday afternoons. These P&W-powered types are very notably quieter than the E190 when climbing out; the latter is also far noisier than the BAe146 which started the jet operations here, and one wonders how the transition between these two types was allowed. I believe the last 146/RJ operation at LCY was just a couple of months ago, a Jota football team charter just before the airline ceased operations.
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
Interesting the proposal to allow only the A220/E2 on Saturday afternoons. These P&W-powered types are very notably quieter than the E190 when climbing out; the latter is also far noisier than the BAe146 which started the jet operations here, and one wonders how the transition between these two types was allowed. I believe the last 146/RJ operation at LCY was just a couple of months ago, a Jota football team charter just before the airline ceased operations.
Agreed, the Embraer had a marked increase in noise levels when compared to the 146, the Fokker 70 and A318 were even noisier.
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Old 5th Jul 2022, 21:42
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
Interesting the proposal to allow only the A220/E2 on Saturday afternoons. These P&W-powered types are very notably quieter than the E190 when climbing out; the latter is also far noisier than the BAe146 which started the jet operations here, and one wonders how the transition between these two types was allowed. I believe the last 146/RJ operation at LCY was just a couple of months ago, a Jota football team charter just before the airline ceased operations.
Depends which version you're talking about. The RJ100 (and presumably BAE146-300) were banned in 2019 for noise reasons. Although the aircraft themselves were relatively quiet, their comparatively low climb rates made them prone to triggering the ground-based noise monitoring points. The RJ85/BAE 146-200 continue to be approved.

The E190 has for the last few years been operated in a specific way, by all LCY carriers, to perform high-power takeoffs followed by climbing away to 3000ft very quickly, to limit noise exposure on the ground as soon as possible
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Sun Air are returning from September with up to 6 flights a week on LCY-BLL

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Old 7th Jul 2022, 12:12
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Originally Posted by Saabdriver1 View Post
I wonder if these guys have actually run the performance on a Saab 340 departure ex LCY. Although technically the aircraft can do it (and I believe an operator did in the very distant past), the single-engine climb performance calculation with obstacle limitations is going to leave a commercial payload of next to nothing. Admittedly that might not be a limitation at 800 Euro return fares, but it seems like an unorthodox business model.
I am pretty sure I was on a Saab 340 when Eastern Airways operated LCY-IOM for BA.

EDIT: Nope, it was a Saab 2000
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Originally Posted by SealinkBF View Post
I am pretty sure I was on a Saab 340 when Eastern Airways operated LCY-IOM for BA.

EDIT: Nope, it was a Saab 2000
According to Facebook.. although they sold a handful of tickets to Deauville, it turns out that :
# Their Saab 340 not certified for LCY steep approach
# crews not trained for LCY
# route not approved by the CAA
Looks like the route has been withdrawn already
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 04:44
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Originally Posted by flying phil 2007 View Post
According to Facebook.. although they sold a handful of tickets to Deauville, it turns out that :
# Their Saab 340 not certified for LCY steep approach
# crews not trained for LCY
# route not approved by the CAA
Looks like the route has been withdrawn already
Embarrasing especially for LCY who have advertised the route and even run a competition to win tickets.
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 14:37
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As mentioned previously LCY is consulting on increasing passenger numbers and movements. One interesting piece in the document is this quote:

“The first new generation aircraft (A220-100) started operations at the airport with Swiss Air Lines in 2017. Since then, the Embraer E190-E2 has been certified to operate at the airport, and we expect the Embraer E195-E2 to be certified later this year.” https://consultation.londoncityairpo...ion_Boards.pdf
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 16:15
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One interesting piece in the document...
From the aforementionned document p. 9



The contours shown are for 90dB (solid lines) and 80 dB (dotted lines).
Am I missing something... the larger area is 90dB, the smaller 80dB
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Old 12th Jul 2022, 12:35
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I don't think you are missing anything ... but I think whoever did the document needs to go back to GCSE Physics
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The Embraer E195E2 is expected into LCY on Friday.

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