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Old 1st Oct 2022, 11:59
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Originally Posted by highwideandugly View Post
And quite a few more than other “ viable” airports!
Just my opinion but I believe the airport was a viable going concern, instead the greedy owners wanted to make a quick buck and fill their pockets from non aviation activity!
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Old 1st Oct 2022, 12:02
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Just my opinion but I believe the airport was a viable going concern, instead the greedy owners wanted to make a quick buck and fill their pockets from more profitable uses!
So airports have a divine right to existence, even when the owners are losing money and could make a profit using the site for something else?
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Old 1st Oct 2022, 12:05
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So airports have a divine right to existence, even when the owners are losing money and could make a profit using the site for something else?
you know for a fact they were loosing money?
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Old 1st Oct 2022, 12:08
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Originally Posted by SKOJB View Post
you know for a fact they were losing money?
Just from the public statements of the owners - which haven't been contradicted by those who have been recently looking at repriving the airport
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Old 1st Oct 2022, 13:13
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you know for a fact they were loosing money?
I’m certainly no expert in financial obligations but I believe there has been a requirement for Doncaster Airport Ltd to post its annual financial performance, and this is available to view. I’ve no doubt that there has been some clever accounting as you would expect from an organisation such as Peel, but DSA has been posting operating losses since it opened. General consensus seems to be that the airport have been charging too much in landing and handling charges creating a barrier to growth, but this would seem to contradict the fact that it has been losing money in spite of a fairly buoyant passenger throughput. Peel have stipulated a critical mass that has not been reached, which suggests to me that they’ve been offering very favourable deals to airlines to operate from there with the understanding that a minimum passenger throughput is reached in order to generate profit from ancillary revenue (car parking, retail). Worked with TUI but not so much with the other airlines that have been and gone.

Not sure on the legalities of cross subsidies from other land surrounding the airport? Perhaps an operator like MAG may run things differently in that respect. Airport operating costs have increased significantly in the 17 years since DSA opened. There is clearly a bigger picture here and sadly Peel have not given sufficient time to allow for a truly independent scrutiny process to be completed.
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Old 1st Oct 2022, 19:26
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Any group company can shift costs around to show a loss, and I think that’s the bit that hurts here, especially when the airport seems to be pulling its weight in attracting an albeit limited (to tui) healthy footfall. It’s the unrealised potential that just seems wrong and stifled. Bigger sadness is the fact that on Nov 1st peel could dig up the runway and knock down the terminal and from there there is no going back in reasonable financial viability of an operational civil airport.
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Originally Posted by G-FORZ View Post
Any group company can shift costs around to show a loss, and I think that’s the bit that hurts here, especially when the airport seems to be pulling its weight in attracting an albeit limited (to tui) healthy footfall. It’s the unrealised potential that just seems wrong and stifled. Bigger sadness is the fact that on Nov 1st peel could dig up the runway and knock down the terminal and from there there is no going back in reasonable financial viability of an operational civil airport.
Which is why I feel it disappointing that a fully independent scrutiny has not been completed due to the short timeframe. It may well be that Peel are being truthful, but until that appraisal has been completed a lot of people will be feeling left up in the air without proper answers.

One thing that I feel is overlooked and must not be forgotten though is that until the early part of this year, there were some highly passionate and experienced people heading up the aviation development and management of the airport. I do think they pulled out all the stops to bring in new business…. Whether they were operating to tight internal constraints is open to debate, sadly it seems that may have been the case in recent times.

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Old 1st Oct 2022, 21:40
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What will bring Peel more profit longer term, an airport or a large business park? Their decision to make, as they own the site, sentiment will not be a consideration.
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Old 2nd Oct 2022, 09:33
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If the airport was making money why would Peel go to all the hassle of tearing it up and spending a lot of cash in the short-term to build a business park?

Its pretty clear that post -Covid it will take a long time before the airline industry starts to reach the levels of say 2018/19 -and all the current hassles are souring people from the whole business of going by air on a holiday. Just look at all the ads for "no-Fly Holidays"

Doncaster was always marginal - it' was always high on the list of "at danger" airports.

Its demise will help E Midlands & Leeds Bradford survive for pax flights
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Old 2nd Oct 2022, 19:12
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Nice buildings, but not enough self-loading-freight. With the demise of the ILS/radar approach service at Coventry, it was one the useful strips in the are if you got caught out in bad weather and didn't fancy the daft prices at bham. I think it is done for now, it was hard to get the few airlines that used it there in the first place, will be impossible to get them back even if a CPO could be organised. If the mayor had wanted to do something, he should have done it weeks ago, but its all too late now.

I suspect Peel will want to remove the buildings fairly quickly if they attract business rates.

There is a "save doncaster airport" FB group with some delusional admins that's worth a look if you are bored.
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Old 4th Oct 2022, 20:04
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And thats it, game over.

PEEL announced internally this afternoon that all cargo operations and general av will cease this Friday, 7th October at 1500L.

All based operators have now been told that they have to be departed from the airport (2Excel, NPAS, 3x flying schools) by 18th November at 1430L.

Vulcan has also been told, No engine runs after 4th November, and has to be offsite by 23rd June 2023 (Either by road or scrap bin as it won't fly).

RIP DSA.

PEEL you total bunch of hunts with a capital C.
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Old 4th Oct 2022, 20:58
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My understanding is that NPAS took out a long lease on their new hangar - possibly a slight thorn in the side in their case.
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Old 4th Oct 2022, 22:03
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My understanding is that NPAS took out a long lease on their new hangar - possibly a slight thorn in the side in their case.
Perhaps Peel will honour the lease but probably not obliged to provide a runway as part of the deal !!
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Old 4th Oct 2022, 23:19
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Perhaps Peel will honour the lease but probably not obliged to provide a runway as part of the deal !!
Wait! I have an idea... it begins with an H and ends with "opter"
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Old 5th Oct 2022, 07:28
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The Eot generally starts from the management downwards, in this case, the local management who installed themselves and operated like a bunch of school kids who had just nicked all the toys of everyone, and then from the leaks and general chit chat from people who work for the place but do nothing but criticise,

falsifying board papers was never going to end well
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Old 5th Oct 2022, 11:45
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Wait! I have an idea... it begins with an H and ends with "opter"
The Partenavia’s just need a grass verge
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 13:24
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Old 7th Oct 2022, 08:47
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What about the Beech 200s and Pa 31s.
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Old 10th Oct 2022, 09:36
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Hi TheCargoMAn it is easy to be a keyboard warrior at least have the decency to name or shame who these people
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Old 12th Oct 2022, 19:15
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According to the local MP, a consortium is likely to put an offer to Peel in the next 48 hours.

Too little too late? Probably. But hopefully not. Time will tell.
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