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When I left nearly 2 years ago there were so few Admin people left that B34 was shutting and staff redeployed around the Airport, guess that's still the case, probably why nothing gets done to the pot holes - nobody to report to/ take action on!
When I left nearly 2 years ago there were so few Admin people left that B34 was shutting and staff redeployed around the Airport, guess that's still the case, probably why nothing gets done to the pot holes - nobody to report to/ take action on!
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-56238018
Mars? It looks more like East Midlands Airports roads...joke.
AP, I cannot see how anyone could miss the poor standard of the roads, they after all have to drive over them to get in. Call me old fashioned but the first thing punters see is the road surfaces as they drive in and if that is worse than some third world countries to the punters they have to wonder what the rest of the infrastructure is like.
Mars? It looks more like East Midlands Airports roads...joke.
AP, I cannot see how anyone could miss the poor standard of the roads, they after all have to drive over them to get in. Call me old fashioned but the first thing punters see is the road surfaces as they drive in and if that is worse than some third world countries to the punters they have to wonder what the rest of the infrastructure is like.
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MAG - February 2021
Feb Pax
MAN = 79,408 down 95.5%
STN = 34,967 down 98.1%
EMA = 255 down 99.9%
Rolling 12m pax
STN = 3,903,227 down 86.1%
MAN = 3,688,509 down 87.4%
EMA = 519,779 down 88.8%
Feb Cargo
EMA = 34,053 up 23.6%
STN = 19,832 up 51.9%
MAN = 4,174 down 41.8%
MAN = 79,408 down 95.5%
STN = 34,967 down 98.1%
EMA = 255 down 99.9%
Rolling 12m pax
STN = 3,903,227 down 86.1%
MAN = 3,688,509 down 87.4%
EMA = 519,779 down 88.8%
Feb Cargo
EMA = 34,053 up 23.6%
STN = 19,832 up 51.9%
MAN = 4,174 down 41.8%
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not sure if this is the start of new flights but this morning has seen
CGN - EMA - SDF 763F
CDG - EMA 763F
Also worth nothing the new 747 stand on cargo east is now in operation with Swissport handling the Cargologic 744F on the LGG - EMA - ATL flight
not sure if this is the start of new flights but this morning has seen
CGN - EMA - SDF 763F
CDG - EMA 763F
Also worth nothing the new 747 stand on cargo east is now in operation with Swissport handling the Cargologic 744F on the LGG - EMA - ATL flight
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Cargologic
So following the daily flights of Cargologic out of EMA, I was wondering what the legalities of operating a G- registered aircraft from the EU to the US for example without operating through the UK on the route? I was under the impression that there wasn’t anything in place in the Brexit deal
Is there any news on the expansion of routes operated by UPS out of the airport
Is there any news on the expansion of routes operated by UPS out of the airport
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The Cargologic 747s are on the UK register and only, so far as I can recall operating EMA-CVG-EMA. I think they also operate a weekly ATL-EMA that finishes up somewhere in the EU but of course as it's a UK registered aircaft there probably wouldn't be issues carrying revenue cargo EMA-wherever in EU. The Kalitta 747 CKS330/330A operates LEJ-EMA-LAX, but of course this is a different kettle of fish as it's a US registered aircraft and therefore there maybe issues carry paying cargo between LEJ and EMA, but then again FedEX use US registered aircraft for UK/EU flights so perhaps not. Somebody better versed than me could probably clarify that point.
The Brexit (lack of a) deal has made it impossible for Aerologic to operate the D- registered 777 freighters between UK and the USA, and similarly EU registered aircraft, such as the Star Air 767s to operate domestically in UK, so those aircraft now fly domestic UK legs on Titan flight numbers, hence some of the changes to the DHL operation that occurred after the end of transition.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong on any of the above.
The Brexit (lack of a) deal has made it impossible for Aerologic to operate the D- registered 777 freighters between UK and the USA, and similarly EU registered aircraft, such as the Star Air 767s to operate domestically in UK, so those aircraft now fly domestic UK legs on Titan flight numbers, hence some of the changes to the DHL operation that occurred after the end of transition.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong on any of the above.
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I would guess a one-off permit, in the same way that Ukrainian Antonov operators get to fly EU/UK cargo charters.
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It seems almost inconceivable that Ryanair would close a base as large as EMA is without any media hoo-haa; it is perhaps more likely they are playing hardball with MAG over fees from 1.1.22, as EMA has suffered particularly badly with passenger services over the pandemic and they feel the time is right to screw a better deal for the EMA operation. It could be (though I very much doubt it!) that BHX, 40 miles down the road, has put in a very competitive package to attract more Ryanair business, and the airline is playing off both airports against each other.
As EMA has continued to be reasonably busy from a cargo standpoint over the last year, Ryanair may find themselves in a weaker negotiating position than at other airports, as the EMA balance sheet may not have suffered quite so badly as many other bases around UK and mainland Europe.
As EMA has continued to be reasonably busy from a cargo standpoint over the last year, Ryanair may find themselves in a weaker negotiating position than at other airports, as the EMA balance sheet may not have suffered quite so badly as many other bases around UK and mainland Europe.
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Whilst I doubt Ryanair will close their EMA base altogether (although it is far from impossible) I would not be surprised if they see the present circumstances as an ideal time undertake a major re-distribution of their Midlands capacity between EMA and BHX.
The loss of Flybe and the general downturn in traffic, which could possibly last for some time, may well have also prompted BHX management to have made a tempting offer to Ryanair.
Another factor which may be influencing Ryanair is the likelihood of an Easy base at BHX at some time in the not too distant future and Wizz air’s expansion there, the latter’s operations may also bring DSA into their considerations of any tactical moves?
All of this is of course conjecture, but given MAG’s seemingly lukewarm attitude towards passenger development at EMA in the past, it may well be that they are not prepared to fight too hard to retain passenger business at any cost, but rather concentrate even further on freight?
The loss of Flybe and the general downturn in traffic, which could possibly last for some time, may well have also prompted BHX management to have made a tempting offer to Ryanair.
Another factor which may be influencing Ryanair is the likelihood of an Easy base at BHX at some time in the not too distant future and Wizz air’s expansion there, the latter’s operations may also bring DSA into their considerations of any tactical moves?
All of this is of course conjecture, but given MAG’s seemingly lukewarm attitude towards passenger development at EMA in the past, it may well be that they are not prepared to fight too hard to retain passenger business at any cost, but rather concentrate even further on freight?
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All these factors may be in the mix. The problem for the passenger side at EMA is that it doesn't have any full service carriers in-situe that are prepared to pay for services, and which allow then to give away money to the likes of Ryanair. Cargo is far less resource hungry, no carparking, no terminal facilities, no space taken up with security. Of course cargo needs security, but it takes place inside the premises operated by the freight companies, such as DHL, UPS and TNT so isn't a direct cost to the airport company. It looks quite appealing to major on cargo rather than 'self loading freight'. If Passenger and Cargo are two different cost or profit centres then there is unlikely to be any appetite for cross subsidisation from cargo to the passenger side, and I'm sure that MAG will require both operations to turn a profit.
Full service airlines, offering connection global connections from EMA have tried and failed on numerous occasions, and post-covid with business travel likely to take a while to recover the prospects for a Lufthansa, AF-KLM or Turkish to chance their arms any time soon.
Full service airlines, offering connection global connections from EMA have tried and failed on numerous occasions, and post-covid with business travel likely to take a while to recover the prospects for a Lufthansa, AF-KLM or Turkish to chance their arms any time soon.