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Old 13th Mar 2022, 21:01
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Freeport

A map showing the location of the Freeport tax sites which will be centred on and around the airport can now be viewed on the GOV.UK website.
The main site is a huge area to the South of the airport stretching between Diseworth and Donington Services. The area is roughly that of the Segro EM Gateway which also now includes three new tax sites.

There are are two sites shown on the airport itself. One covers the majority of the central maintenance area, including long stay car park one. The other is the area at the extreme Western end of the airport which is currently used for car parking.
Indications show that provision has been made here for a sizeable extension to the Western ramp. I would imagine therefore, that this location will probably be used for additional freight facilities.

One area that has not been included in the Freeport planning is that to the East of the new UPS hub, so it could be that this is already earmarked for a new ramp to cater for UPS’s future expansion.

It remains to be seen what transpires, but with the continued growth in airfreight at EMA I can imagine more ramp space will be required sooner rather than later.
Flew a glide approach into the airfield yesterday coming inside the M1 over the new Amazon buildings on the north side, to land westerly. The site is a huge footprint when viewed from directly above.

Mentioned this to my Brother today over a coffee. He spent a lifetime at LCC covering NW Leics planning permissions. He mentioned that the land south of the A453 between the M1 services and the a/p entrance has long been ear marked for freight warehousing development - plus a load of new homes toward Dizzyworth for the new employees.

He suggested this will move forward now. We shall see.
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 20:58
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In light of the reports that FedEx are to cease their MAN-BHX-CDG route, do we know what, if any, changes are planned for EMA?
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 23:06
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In light of the reports that FedEx are to cease their MAN-BHX-CDG route, do we know what, if any, changes are planned for EMA?
First priority I would have thought at EMA is to stop burning fuel in the air each night the 777 operates. Three times around the hold tonight and this is not a one-off but I suppose it is part of the success of EMA cargo at this time.

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Old 16th Mar 2022, 15:39
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We will find out next week, but with EasyJet pulling BFS/EMA at the end of this month BHD/EMA ought to be in amongst the new Flybe offering since it will become an unserved city pairing, and one which has always been pretty popular.
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Old 16th Mar 2022, 16:26
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Originally Posted by Balair
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In light of the reports that FedEx are to cease their MAN-BHX-CDG route, do we know what, if any, changes are planned for EMA?

FEDEX adding a 4 weekly mon-thurs 767F EMA- CDG - EMA replacing the man/bhx - CDG
begins 28th March.

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Old 19th Mar 2022, 06:41
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Longtail 744 to take up some LAX flights for DHL whilst Cargologic air are currently grounded. Ops Sundays and Tuesdays
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Old 19th Mar 2022, 11:58
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Originally Posted by EGNXROB
Longtail 744 to take up some LAX flights for DHL whilst Cargologic air are currently grounded. Ops Sundays and Tuesdays
Presume Cargologic grounded because it’s really a Russian carrier in disguise 🥸

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Old 19th Mar 2022, 13:05
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Originally Posted by STN Ramp Rat
The EMA-IND route is only at EMA due to a shortage of night slots at STN. FedEx have had night slot issues at STN for some time and previously operated a EWR-STN-CDG-EWR service that should have operated vis STN on the return to the US but due to a lack of night slots had to operate directly to the US on the return. eventually when it became aparent that the issue would not be resolved the service became a EWR-CDG-EWR route.

With regards to the variety of points of origin for flights to CDG remember FedEx is a parcels service and its all about the box, the aircraft will go wherever the box’s originate or terminate. A prime example of this is with DHL at Luton, they cannot get LHR slots for the London inbound sort so the flights operate to LTN, in the evening the flights position empty to LHR to collect the outbound London sort because LHR is closer to the sort location than LTN.
Neither the cancellation of the STN stop on the FX5047 EWR-CDG-(STN)-EWR or the decision to route the CDG-EMA-IND 777 via EMA had nothing to do with night slot availability. The 777 into EMA is a “late to late” flight offering a later drop off and a later next day delivery commitment and goes into one of the new response sorts (sunrise) in IND. It has a 120K allocation ex CDG and 40K ex EMA. There is already a 3x weekly CDG-STN-IND MD11 that goes into the regular IND night sort.
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Old 19th Mar 2022, 14:20
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
Presume Cargologic grounded because it’s really a Russian carrier in disguise 🥸
Indeed, the German arm is also grounded for similar reasons. Can't believe it took the British and German regulators so long to take action.
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Flybe

Flybe have announced two routes from EMA.
East Midlands - Amsterdam, Daily,starts 22nd April
East Midlands- Beifast City 2x Daily, starts 7th of July.
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Old 22nd Mar 2022, 08:04
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Originally Posted by craigyton2
Flybe have announced two routes from EMA.
East Midlands - Amsterdam, Daily,starts 22nd April
East Midlands- Beifast City 2x Daily, starts 7th of July.
BHD ought to work for both Flybe and EMA with EasyJet giving up BFS/EMA at the end of March. Provided they have got in place an interline agreement with KLM and the timings fit in to some extent with onward connections at Schiphol AMS could do quite well too. Both routes probably have better chances of success than trying to compete with KLM on AMS/LHR!!
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
BHD ought to work for both Flybe and EMA with EasyJet giving up BFS/EMA at the end of March. Provided they have got in place an interline agreement with KLM and the timings fit in to some extent with onward connections at Schiphol AMS could do quite well too. Both routes probably have better chances of success than trying to compete with KLM on AMS/LHR!!
Fully agree ATNotts ! The LHR routes to BHD, LBA and AMS look dreadful choices, but I guess they are associated to the former bmi slots.

But the EMA routes should have every reason to succeed, and if BE manage to get a KL code on the AMS route it would be brilliant for EMA pax through ticketing to KL's global network. However, from my time at KL, their pilot unions keep very very tight control on which and how many partner airlines can carry a KL codeshare. But I am REALLY hoping for the codeshare and access to a network carriers hub from EMA.

Maybe the new BE will consider GLA, EDI, NQY, and CDG? (Although CDG is one of the worst hubs for connecting pax)
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Old 22nd Mar 2022, 09:13
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Fully agree ATNotts ! The LHR routes to BHD, LBA and AMS look dreadful choices, but I guess they are associated to the former bmi slots.

But the EMA routes should have every reason to succeed, and if BE manage to get a KL code on the AMS route it would be brilliant for EMA pax through ticketing to KL's global network. However, from my time at KL, their pilot unions keep very very tight control on which and how many partner airlines can carry a KL codeshare. But I am REALLY hoping for the codeshare and access to a network carriers hub from EMA.

Maybe the new BE will consider GLA, EDI, NQY, and CDG? (Although CDG is one of the worst hubs for connecting pax)
GLA and EDI were on my list of "possibles" but without a base at EMA or either of the Scottish airports operating at business friendly timings would be a challenge at present. They are taking a risk offering Scottish services from BHX up against EZY, but as I posted on the Flybe thread I reckon they are betting on EZY moving aircraft of the BHX domestics to serve more profitable routes between UK and the continent during high summer - as they have with the BFS/EMA service. If that doesn't come to pass they may find BHX routes tough, and could conceivably shift the Scottish routes up the M42/A42; doing so wouldn't cut them off from all the BHX market, just the west and north sides of the West Midlands.
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!iving in the N W corner of the West Midlands I can assure you that EMA is definitely NOT cut off from us , it just takes, typically, 15 mins longer in the car and none of that horrendous M6 traffic J10 to J5.
Furthermore it has good car parks not placed so far away as to require a Bus to get to the Terminal, alternatively an excelient Meet & Greet.
OK, so it hasn't got a BHX Shopping Mall and Boozers hut you're there to catch a flight. Right?
Since 2018, with exception of. Covid closures, it replaced BHX as my airport of choice for Jet2 holidays except one where they didnt fly there on the day I needed.
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Originally Posted by Flying Hi
!iving in the N W corner of the West Midlands I can assure you that EMA is definitely NOT cut off from us , it just takes, typically, 15 mins longer in the car and none of that horrendous M6 traffic J10 to J5.
Furthermore it has good car parks not placed so far away as to require a Bus to get to the Terminal, alternatively an excelient Meet & Greet.
OK, so it hasn't got a BHX Shopping Mall and Boozers hut you're there to catch a flight. Right?
Since 2018, with exception of. Covid closures, it replaced BHX as my airport of choice for Jet2 holidays except one where they didnt fly there on the day I needed.
Interesting; Even more reason to perhaps look at Scotland from EMA then.
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Originally Posted by Flying Hi
!iving in the N W corner of the West Midlands I can assure you that EMA is definitely NOT cut off from us , it just takes, typically, 15 mins longer in the car and none of that horrendous M6 traffic J10 to J5.
Furthermore it has good car parks not placed so far away as to require a Bus to get to the Terminal, alternatively an excelient Meet & Greet.
OK, so it hasn't got a BHX Shopping Mall and Boozers hut you're there to catch a flight. Right?
Since 2018, with exception of. Covid closures, it replaced BHX as my airport of choice for Jet2 holidays except one where they didnt fly there on the day I needed.
Interesting; Even more reason to perhaps look at Scotland from EMA then.
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
GLA and EDI were on my list of "possibles" but without a base at EMA or either of the Scottish airports operating at business friendly timings would be a challenge at present. They are taking a risk offering Scottish services from BHX up against EZY, but as I posted on the Flybe thread I reckon they are betting on EZY moving aircraft of the BHX domestics to serve more profitable routes between UK and the continent during high summer - as they have with the BFS/EMA service. If that doesn't come to pass they may find BHX routes tough, and could conceivably shift the Scottish routes up the M42/A42; doing so wouldn't cut them off from all the BHX market, just the west and north sides of the West Midlands.
I would certainly would have considered EMA- Edinburgh over BHX-Glasgow that is for sure. easyjet increase BHX-GLA this Sunday and it is 3 per day some days and although it drops briefly high summer it is restored in September and I just don't see enough demand but of course there isn't an EDI or EMA base to operate it from and I am not sure BHX-EDI-EMA-EDI-BHX would work like the Amsterdam should.

Amsterdam-EMA last time was a success if load factors and fares were anything to go by - CAA stats for 2019 show 48462 pax, 707 flights which is 69 per flight or 88% which is higher than what I thought but shows demand if nothing else.

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Originally Posted by craigyton2
Flybe have announced two routes from EMA.
East Midlands - Amsterdam, Daily,starts 22nd April
East Midlands- Beifast City 2x Daily, starts 7th of July.
All return tickets to Amsterdam currently on their website at £33. Bargain.
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Anyone know why FX47 regularly circles in the hold on arrival to EMA from CDG even when there is nothing else on approach?
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Anyone know why FX47 regularly circles in the hold on arrival to EMA from CDG even when there is nothing else on approach?

All down to stand availability yesterday evening there was a extra 777 in from Leige (unsure if this is to be regular) which had to hold over Leicester until a company 757 was moved to the main apron to free up some ramp space on the Eastern cargo apron
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