East Midlands-7

[almost professional]

Originally Posted by EGNXROB

All down to stand availability yesterday evening there was a extra 777 in from Leige (unsure if this is to be regular) which had to hold over Leicester until a company 757 was moved to the main apron to free up some ramp space on the Eastern cargo apron

I can just imagine the conversations on the intercom between Approach and Tower whilst waiting for that manoeuvre to be carried out!

[tweentown]

This service (FX47) seems to be in the hold most evenings. On Monday it was 11 times round the hold and yesterday 6 times around before landing and then waiting on a central apron stand for around half an hour beofre finally moving to Cargo East. This must be expensive in terms of fuel cost and time. There are stands available on cargo east as the two Star Air 767's have just departed but these are used later on for mail flights. Are there any plans to build some new stands?

[egnxema]

Originally Posted by tweentown

This service (FX47) seems to be in the hold most evenings. On Monday it was 11 times round the hold and yesterday 6 times around before landing and then waiting on a central apron stand for around half an hour beofre finally moving to Cargo East. This must be expensive in terms of fuel cost and time. There are stands available on cargo east as the two Star Air 767's have just departed but these are used later on for mail flights. Are there any plans to build some new stands?

wow! 11 times round. You would image it has to be more efficient to at least be in the ground and waiting/idle to then taxi or be towed on stand rather than do 11 laps of the hold.

I can certain imagine that stand allocation gets tight at times in the evening on the East and West aprons, but I’m surprised there isn’t room on the central apron to allow an arrival to land on time and then wait, even for an hour.

or maybe the bit I am missing is the extra parking fees. Is it cheaper to do 11 laps in the air than it is to park a full 777 on stand for an hour?

[almost professional]

If memory serves, its been a while….you cannot get a B777 on to the central apron even under tow - neither Q or R entrance are rated for it

[ATNotts]

One wonders if EMA and / or FedEx at EMA have bitten off more than they can chew in taking on the extra business from FedEx. Even DHL appear to be struggling for resources, be that boots on the ground or ramp / cargo terminal space and in recent months have redirected ad hoc freighters (I'm thinking of F.1 work) that wound up at Doncaster.

If MAG don't invest in additional ramp space there is the distinct risk they could kill the goose that lays the golden egg - that is cargo business - as I feel sure that Doncaster would be more than happy to make disgruntled operators offers they'd find difficult to refuse, particularly Amazon, that has a pretty big logistics operation not far from Finningley.

[almost professional]

Time for another stand marking repaint then…..

[tweentown]

For the record FX47 was temporarily parked on Stand 42 on the Central West Apron last night.

[Balair]

Given the known stand (and possibly manpower) constraints at the airport at that time of day, it was possibly not the wisest decision to divert in FDX21 yesterday evening.
Extra ramp space is not going to be a quick fix. I would imagine around 18/24 months from submission of plans to the planning authorities to it being operational. That’s always supposing the airport have any expansion plans already developed. Is there anyone “in-the-know” who could indicate if that is the case?

In the short term, FedEx and the airport need to come up with some creative thinking to get around the current problem, or I suspect FDX47 may be quickly “under review”.

I’m no expert, and I know there are many factors involved at the relevant airports, but from what I’ve seen (apart from last night) turn around times for this flight seem quite good once the aircraft is on stand. So could its departure time from CDG be tweaked slightly to build in a little more leeway at EMA?

[tweentown]

Interestingly there was no holding for the FX47 last night and it parked on stand 73 on Cargo East. In the past stand 73 was only configured for maximum Boeing 757, so maybe some re-configuration has taken place as suggested by AP. Also, I think this may only have been possible because the Fedex 757 parked on the adjacent stand left earlier than previously, so it could be that this has been re-scheduled as part of the solution.

[egnxema]

Not seen EMA-LAX or EMA-MIA on F24 recently. Has the increase in scheduled pax traffic to these destinations out of the UK reduced the need for the all freight flights?

maybe I’m just not looking at the right time.

[BHX5DME]

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[EGNXROB]

Jet2 to base a extra aircraft during summer 23 adding a 1 weekly Santorini and adding extra capacity on existing routes taking them over 100 weekly departures.


https://www.jet2.com/news/2022/04/Je...or_Summer_2023

[N707ZS]

Has the daily Kalitta 747 flight stopped. What replaced it.

[EGNXROB]

Originally Posted by N707ZS

Has the daily Kalitta 747 flight stopped. What replaced it.

It was replaced by the Cargologic 744 5 weekly, 1 Aerologic 777 op and 1 DHL U.K. 777 op. But since the end of Cargologic it’s been a non op for a couple of weeks.

Also of note DHL U.K. have a new 5 weekly EMA-BAH-LEJ-EMA 763F

[Stu707]

Los Angeles

Are we likely to see a return of the Los Angeles and Miami flights in the near future and if so which aircraft will used

[ATNotts]

EGNXROB

You posted up thread that Longtail were to take up some of the LAX capacity lost when Cargologic were grounded, and there were a couple of rotations.

Subsequently I have noticed Longtail operating through Doncaster, not sure though whether they are connected with the EMA/LAX service.

[Stu707]

Los Angeles

Checked Longtail movements and cannot see anything to suggest that they have been assisting DHL with any flights out of Doncaster

[EGNXROB]

Originally Posted by ATNotts

EGNXROB

You posted up thread that Longtail were to take up some of the LAX capacity lost when Cargologic were grounded, and there were a couple of rotations.

Subsequently I have noticed Longtail operating through Doncaster, not sure though whether they are connected with the EMA/LAX service.

The longtail 744 ops through EMA ended up as Jaguar Land Rover charters to LAX through DHL, the confusion was the slots matched roughly the same slot times as the usual Cargologic 744 ops to LAX

[Stu707]

Originally Posted by EGNXROB

The longtail 744 ops through EMA ended up as Jaguar Land Rover charters to LAX through DHL, the confusion was the slots matched roughly the same slot times as the usual Cargologic 744 ops to LAX

Maybe someone in the know will be able to supply the answers in due course as to whether these services will return to EMA

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by EGNXROB

The longtail 744 ops through EMA ended up as Jaguar Land Rover charters to LAX through DHL, the confusion was the slots matched roughly the same slot times as the usual Cargologic 744 ops to LAX

Without betraying any trade confidentialities, was the Cargologic LAX operation general DHL cargo, or perhaps whole plane charters brokered by DHL? Going back to the turn of the century JLR (under previous ownership) ran a long series of charters from Detroit (YIP) into BHX carrying engines for the Jaguar "S" Type. Wondered if the Cargologic could have been of the same nature, but obviously different commodity.