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Old 8th May 2022, 16:13
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OK then, but don't schedule beyond your available resources. Which is what has been got wrong. If you don't want to take on and train permanent staff ... don't announce what you can't manage.
Not disputed however in their defence BA are having to comply with the reintroduction of slot usage controls at Heathrow initially 70/30 so something has to be done to protect that whilst continuing to manage resources .
LBA I am not advocating for NO recruitment period and neither do I think we will be back in lockdown however simple economics certain recession and spent vouchers will mean a pretty lean winter and indeed likely 2023, so massive recruitment is far from a good idea , it’s call management and sweating of recourses and an important business tool especially for a company recording huge losses !
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Old 8th May 2022, 16:20
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The point is that BA, as is well known, got rid of too many staff (or tried to fire and re-hire them on inferior contracts) to begin with. Looks like they underestimated the impact/reaction that strategy would have and are now struggling to recover.

As we have seen over many years at BA, the mantra to cut cost as the expense of almost everything else (except perhaps safety) has driven them to the point where they are taking the kind of measures that we are discussing, and although as you say these things are done with the aim that they enhance "shareholder value", those same shareholders surely can't like that assets are sat on the ground costing money rather then being "sweated" as you claim.
Those assets are parked rather cheaply at the moment whilst the company is bleeding red recording massive losses and they simply aren’t needed, crews or no for the foreseeable . Finnair have crews current and fully up to date and frames a plenty going spare . It’s an accidental marriage of convenience right now both parties making ( loosing less money) in the process !
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Old 8th May 2022, 16:59
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Originally Posted by Rutan16 View Post
LBA I am not advocating for NO recruitment period and neither do I think we will be back in lockdown however simple economics certain recession and spent vouchers will mean a pretty lean winter and indeed likely 2023, so massive recruitment is far from a good idea , itís call management and sweating of recourses and an important business tool especially for a company recording huge losses !
The thing is they need to recruit more permanent staff otherwise they end up cancelling flights as the resource isn't there to crew the flights. Remember, especially when it comes to crew/flight deck, the number should/probably does include plenty of sickness and leaving. There is simple facts. They have cut harsh and harder then required without taking into account the furlough scheme (government failure). They now have the rebound of travel going on without the resource required. You cannot and will not attract people to work for the national airline/BA and move to London without offering permanent contract as your competitors will win - Virgin. BA know this and therefore it's the right thing to do.

I bet they've even taken into consideration a pessimistic scenario and worked out they need to recruit and permanent. BA do not suffer as much seasonality as other airlines so it's not like you can work the crew harder in Summer and let them take it easy in winter. BA need those numbers more or less year round.
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Old 8th May 2022, 17:48
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the company is bleeding red recording massive losses
At present, yes, but IAG is forecasting a return to profitability in the near future....

https://www.travelmole.com/news/iag-...m_medium=email

On another note, a (proper) British airline, Jet2, announced a few days ago that they will operate more flights in S22 than they did in S19, and that they see no let-up in demand.

It's not all doom and gloom out there!
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Old 8th May 2022, 18:09
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Originally Posted by Rutan16 View Post
Those assets are parked rather cheaply at the moment whilst the company is bleeding red recording massive losses and they simply arenít needed, crews or no for the foreseeable . Finnair have crews current and fully up to date and frames a plenty going spare . Itís an accidental marriage of convenience right now both parties making ( loosing less money) in the process !
They are needed, they just can't be crewed. There's be no need to lease in other airline's assets at market rate if BA could crew their own operation like certain other competitors.
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Old 8th May 2022, 18:50
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Thanks fir your replies, it did not help passengers being bussed to a stand and then introduced to a ANZ aircraft for a trip to the USA. At least my informant has been told it’s Finnair, when he promotes BA as a businessman.
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Old 8th May 2022, 19:32
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Originally Posted by Trinity 09L View Post
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Thanks fir your replies, it did not help passengers being bussed to a stand and then introduced to a ANZ aircraft for a trip to the USA. At least my informant has been told itís Finnair, when he promotes BA as a businessman.
I remember that happening as well, including the bussing to a remote stand (even then). In fact there was an FA at the foot of the DC-10 steps whose principal task seemed to assure passengers that this was the BA flight to LAX. This was despite using those old steps which had a display of flight number and destination on a pole attached to them. Of course, to the airline, there was nothing to say. It was a BA flight, not a code share, on the BA AOC, wholly staffed by BA crew. The paint scheme was incidental. The current arrangements are different.

The ANZ aircraft previously laid over at LAX from Auckland during the afternoon/evening, and as the round trip LAX-LHR-LAX takes just over 24 hours, the eastbound aircraft set off about 2 hours before the westbound one arrived; it was thus a different aircraft every day so they were not badged up as such. It was also the longest sector BA operated at the time, when they still only had the original -100 series 747s. The US carriers operated them at the extremes, but for BA procedures LAX was fractionally too far until the -200 747s came along, when this was their first route.
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Old 8th May 2022, 21:22
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
The ANZ aircraft previously laid over at LAX from Auckland during the afternoon/evening, and as the round trip LAX-LHR-LAX takes just over 24 hours, the eastbound aircraft set off about 2 hours before the westbound one arrived; it was thus a different aircraft every day so they were not badged up as such. It was also the longest sector BA operated at the time, when they still only had the original -100 series 747s.
Didn't the ANZ arrangement carry on after the 747-200s arrived at BA in 1977 ?
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Old 8th May 2022, 21:37
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As the OP who asked about cancellation lead times, I've read all the replies with interest.
What I still do not understand, is why BA management, with their knowledge of staffing levels, aircraft availability etc, cannot produce a rolling four week flight schedule, that allows customers sufficient time to rearrange hotels, car parking etc. rather than waiting until three or four days prior to departure before announcing cancellations.
I am also mystified as to why I am getting numerous emails from BA, encouraging me to fly with them, when the media is full of news about flight cancellations. Do the marketing department live in some parallel universe, where every flight is operating as normal ?
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Old 9th May 2022, 02:08
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In a very wide range of companies, the number. Of people going off with Covid is still high. I hear this also in my extended family and in Facebook contacts. You feel fine on Thursday and wake up on Friday feeling terrible. Take a test and that could be you off work for 7 or 10 or more days. No software or human planner can work accurately with that level.
No, I have never worked in the airline world.
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Old 9th May 2022, 07:06
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Didn't the ANZ arrangement carry on after the 747-200s arrived at BA in 1977 ?
1978 I think. I was by chance on the first week of the 747 back from LAX (though not outward).

The DC-10 interchange did carry on, because BA had a several-years commitment to it. It continued to serve LAX twice a week to exchange aircraft with ANZ as before, but on other days served from London, in varying proportions and seasons, Boston, Miami, and one or two other points. I'm sure the crews, after several years of doing nothing but a single route, appreciated it.
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Old 9th May 2022, 10:47
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I was a passenger on the last ANZ flight which was LHR-JFK on 26/10/80.I believe it then picked up spares and continued to LAX for hand back.
Passengers wouldn't have known it was an ANZ aircraft as boarded via a jetway.
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Old 9th May 2022, 11:27
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Combination of sources inc "Speedbird" - the BOAC history - and the 1999 British Airways Airlife book.

BA entered into the ANZ DC10 exchange as neither the 747-100s or 707-436s had range to operate non-stop to LAX, but BA was facing competition from Pan Am and TWA who were flying 707-300s non-stop.

Operations were on LHR-LAX from May 1975.

For Summer 1978, the arrival of the BA 747-236s provided aircraft which could fly LAX and this was the first route on which the -236Bs were flown. There was a further year on the interchange agreement still to run, and the ANZ DC10s were flown on five Miami and three Montreal flights per week plus two LAX to feed aircraft back into the ANZ network. The agreement ended in April 1979.

Can't vouch for any of that from personal experience but that's what the history books say!
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Old 9th May 2022, 12:25
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I have dug out a 1980 summer timetable.
The DC-10 is listed as operating to Montreal,Los Angeles and Boston on various days..
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Old 19th May 2022, 07:32
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IAG confirms order for 737Max - BA & Vueling?

Boeing has confirmed that IAG has firmed up the 2019 LOI for new 737Max 'frames...

https://www.flightglobal.com/airline...148714.article

British Airways and Iberia parent company IAG has agreed to order up to 150 Boeing 737 Max jets.

The order will comprise 25 737 Max 10 variants, plus 25 of the high-density 737 Max 8-200.

IAG is also taking 100 options, it states.
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Old 20th May 2022, 18:50
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Not really news these days, but 120+ shorthaul BA flights cancelled f/t Heathrow today.

All the British Airways flights cancelled today from UK airports | The Independent
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Old 21st May 2022, 09:47
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Not really news these days, but 120+ shorthaul BA flights cancelled f/t Heathrow today.

All the British Airways flights cancelled today from UK airports | The Independent
Yes the Independent keeps going on about these. In reality, as they do mention in passing, most of these flights were removed from the schedules weeks ago now. Therefore most people have been rebooked etcÖ Of course there are still some last minute cancellations(not unique to BA) but thousands of people are not turning up to find flights cancelled every day.
Iím not sure what the Independent is trying to achieve here.
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Old 21st May 2022, 17:59
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I assume The Independent is doing this because it helps them perform well on Google's search engine - which drives a lot of what online news sites do.
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Old 22nd May 2022, 09:02
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Or could it be a free-lance travel correspondent by re-writing 'old news' in an attempt to boost their income?
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 22:55
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Is anybody able to advise as to until what date tickets being on sale on the website can be considered a reliable sign that a flight will take place, with no more cancellations ? (Yes, subject to things like weather). Is it just 2 weeks ahead ?

I'd like to make a booking, but I know if BA cancel the flight I want to book with 2 week's notice it will be very expensive to find an alternative flight. It's important to me that if I book, I actually get to fly. I don't want to risk paying for other things (e.g. hotels) and then getting an email in a week's time saying "Terribly sorry, but your flight doesn't look sufficiently profitable to us so we have decided to cancel it and we will give you your money back when we feel like it"

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