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LBA I am not advocating for NO recruitment period and neither do I think we will be back in lockdown however simple economics certain recession and spent vouchers will mean a pretty lean winter and indeed likely 2023, so massive recruitment is far from a good idea , it’s call management and sweating of recourses and an important business tool especially for a company recording huge losses !
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The point is that BA, as is well known, got rid of too many staff (or tried to fire and re-hire them on inferior contracts) to begin with. Looks like they underestimated the impact/reaction that strategy would have and are now struggling to recover.
As we have seen over many years at BA, the mantra to cut cost as the expense of almost everything else (except perhaps safety) has driven them to the point where they are taking the kind of measures that we are discussing, and although as you say these things are done with the aim that they enhance "shareholder value", those same shareholders surely can't like that assets are sat on the ground costing money rather then being "sweated" as you claim.
As we have seen over many years at BA, the mantra to cut cost as the expense of almost everything else (except perhaps safety) has driven them to the point where they are taking the kind of measures that we are discussing, and although as you say these things are done with the aim that they enhance "shareholder value", those same shareholders surely can't like that assets are sat on the ground costing money rather then being "sweated" as you claim.
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LBA I am not advocating for NO recruitment period and neither do I think we will be back in lockdown however simple economics certain recession and spent vouchers will mean a pretty lean winter and indeed likely 2023, so massive recruitment is far from a good idea , it’s call management and sweating of recourses and an important business tool especially for a company recording huge losses !
I bet they've even taken into consideration a pessimistic scenario and worked out they need to recruit and permanent. BA do not suffer as much seasonality as other airlines so it's not like you can work the crew harder in Summer and let them take it easy in winter. BA need those numbers more or less year round.
the company is bleeding red recording massive losses
https://www.travelmole.com/news/iag-...m_medium=email
On another note, a (proper) British airline, Jet2, announced a few days ago that they will operate more flights in S22 than they did in S19, and that they see no let-up in demand.
It's not all doom and gloom out there!
Those assets are parked rather cheaply at the moment whilst the company is bleeding red recording massive losses and they simply aren’t needed, crews or no for the foreseeable . Finnair have crews current and fully up to date and frames a plenty going spare . It’s an accidental marriage of convenience right now both parties making ( loosing less money) in the process !
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Thanks fir your replies, it did not help passengers being bussed to a stand and then introduced to a ANZ aircraft for a trip to the USA. At least my informant has been told it’s Finnair, when he promotes BA as a businessman.
Thanks fir your replies, it did not help passengers being bussed to a stand and then introduced to a ANZ aircraft for a trip to the USA. At least my informant has been told it’s Finnair, when he promotes BA as a businessman.
The ANZ aircraft previously laid over at LAX from Auckland during the afternoon/evening, and as the round trip LAX-LHR-LAX takes just over 24 hours, the eastbound aircraft set off about 2 hours before the westbound one arrived; it was thus a different aircraft every day so they were not badged up as such. It was also the longest sector BA operated at the time, when they still only had the original -100 series 747s. The US carriers operated them at the extremes, but for BA procedures LAX was fractionally too far until the -200 747s came along, when this was their first route.
The ANZ aircraft previously laid over at LAX from Auckland during the afternoon/evening, and as the round trip LAX-LHR-LAX takes just over 24 hours, the eastbound aircraft set off about 2 hours before the westbound one arrived; it was thus a different aircraft every day so they were not badged up as such. It was also the longest sector BA operated at the time, when they still only had the original -100 series 747s.
As the OP who asked about cancellation lead times, I've read all the replies with interest.
What I still do not understand, is why BA management, with their knowledge of staffing levels, aircraft availability etc, cannot produce a rolling four week flight schedule, that allows customers sufficient time to rearrange hotels, car parking etc. rather than waiting until three or four days prior to departure before announcing cancellations.
I am also mystified as to why I am getting numerous emails from BA, encouraging me to fly with them, when the media is full of news about flight cancellations. Do the marketing department live in some parallel universe, where every flight is operating as normal ?
What I still do not understand, is why BA management, with their knowledge of staffing levels, aircraft availability etc, cannot produce a rolling four week flight schedule, that allows customers sufficient time to rearrange hotels, car parking etc. rather than waiting until three or four days prior to departure before announcing cancellations.
I am also mystified as to why I am getting numerous emails from BA, encouraging me to fly with them, when the media is full of news about flight cancellations. Do the marketing department live in some parallel universe, where every flight is operating as normal ?
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In a very wide range of companies, the number. Of people going off with Covid is still high. I hear this also in my extended family and in Facebook contacts. You feel fine on Thursday and wake up on Friday feeling terrible. Take a test and that could be you off work for 7 or 10 or more days. No software or human planner can work accurately with that level.
No, I have never worked in the airline world.
No, I have never worked in the airline world.
The DC-10 interchange did carry on, because BA had a several-years commitment to it. It continued to serve LAX twice a week to exchange aircraft with ANZ as before, but on other days served from London, in varying proportions and seasons, Boston, Miami, and one or two other points. I'm sure the crews, after several years of doing nothing but a single route, appreciated it.
I was a passenger on the last ANZ flight which was LHR-JFK on 26/10/80.I believe it then picked up spares and continued to LAX for hand back.
Passengers wouldn't have known it was an ANZ aircraft as boarded via a jetway.
Passengers wouldn't have known it was an ANZ aircraft as boarded via a jetway.
Combination of sources inc "Speedbird" - the BOAC history - and the 1999 British Airways Airlife book.
BA entered into the ANZ DC10 exchange as neither the 747-100s or 707-436s had range to operate non-stop to LAX, but BA was facing competition from Pan Am and TWA who were flying 707-300s non-stop.
Operations were on LHR-LAX from May 1975.
For Summer 1978, the arrival of the BA 747-236s provided aircraft which could fly LAX and this was the first route on which the -236Bs were flown. There was a further year on the interchange agreement still to run, and the ANZ DC10s were flown on five Miami and three Montreal flights per week plus two LAX to feed aircraft back into the ANZ network. The agreement ended in April 1979.
Can't vouch for any of that from personal experience but that's what the history books say!
BA entered into the ANZ DC10 exchange as neither the 747-100s or 707-436s had range to operate non-stop to LAX, but BA was facing competition from Pan Am and TWA who were flying 707-300s non-stop.
Operations were on LHR-LAX from May 1975.
For Summer 1978, the arrival of the BA 747-236s provided aircraft which could fly LAX and this was the first route on which the -236Bs were flown. There was a further year on the interchange agreement still to run, and the ANZ DC10s were flown on five Miami and three Montreal flights per week plus two LAX to feed aircraft back into the ANZ network. The agreement ended in April 1979.
Can't vouch for any of that from personal experience but that's what the history books say!
IAG confirms order for 737Max - BA & Vueling?
Boeing has confirmed that IAG has firmed up the 2019 LOI for new 737Max 'frames...
https://www.flightglobal.com/airline...148714.article
https://www.flightglobal.com/airline...148714.article
British Airways and Iberia parent company IAG has agreed to order up to 150 Boeing 737 Max jets.
The order will comprise 25 737 Max 10 variants, plus 25 of the high-density 737 Max 8-200.
IAG is also taking 100 options, it states.
The order will comprise 25 737 Max 10 variants, plus 25 of the high-density 737 Max 8-200.
IAG is also taking 100 options, it states.
Not really news these days, but 120+ shorthaul BA flights cancelled f/t Heathrow today.
All the British Airways flights cancelled today from UK airports | The Independent
All the British Airways flights cancelled today from UK airports | The Independent
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Not really news these days, but 120+ shorthaul BA flights cancelled f/t Heathrow today.
All the British Airways flights cancelled today from UK airports | The Independent
All the British Airways flights cancelled today from UK airports | The Independent
I’m not sure what the Independent is trying to achieve here.
Is anybody able to advise as to until what date tickets being on sale on the website can be considered a reliable sign that a flight will take place, with no more cancellations ? (Yes, subject to things like weather). Is it just 2 weeks ahead ?
I'd like to make a booking, but I know if BA cancel the flight I want to book with 2 week's notice it will be very expensive to find an alternative flight. It's important to me that if I book, I actually get to fly. I don't want to risk paying for other things (e.g. hotels) and then getting an email in a week's time saying "Terribly sorry, but your flight doesn't look sufficiently profitable to us so we have decided to cancel it and we will give you your money back when we feel like it"
I'd like to make a booking, but I know if BA cancel the flight I want to book with 2 week's notice it will be very expensive to find an alternative flight. It's important to me that if I book, I actually get to fly. I don't want to risk paying for other things (e.g. hotels) and then getting an email in a week's time saying "Terribly sorry, but your flight doesn't look sufficiently profitable to us so we have decided to cancel it and we will give you your money back when we feel like it"
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