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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 16:05
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Suppose these CEOs get courted for visits all the time. How old are the oldest 738’s now? Still have 737-10’s to be delivered.
Something and nothing would be my feeling at this point.
​​​​​​​The CEO wouldn't be doing his job properly if he wasn't aware of the options available to him, particularly as those options only come from two sources.
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 16:41
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
Not sure I could agree the 787ís are long in the tooth. A Tower Air 747-100 is long in the tooth. A 4 year old modern tech 789 will have 20 years plus in it if they were anything like the 767s. Not sure eg a A330neo brings anything new to the table.
Having flown on them a number of times over the past two years they could definitely do with a bit of tlc. The paint work is very faded and the interiors could do with a refresh. Still more than usable and for a charter airline like TUI, no one should be expecting ME3 levels of quality but for comfort on long haul the cabins on the Dreamliners could be made more comfortable.
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 16:57
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Whether itís the move away from Sanford or the rising prices for families heading to the theme parks but it looks like Melbourne might be struggling. I wouldnít be surprised to see a few 787ís coming off long haul and replacing the two 767s on the high density short haul routes.
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 17:12
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Originally Posted by chinapattern
Whether itís the move away from Sanford or the rising prices for families heading to the theme parks but it looks like Melbourne might be struggling. I wouldnít be surprised to see a few 787ís coming off long haul and replacing the two 767s on the high density short haul routes.
Melbourne was a strange routing anyway. Virtually nothing nearby! You either go to Fort Lauderdale or Sanford/MCO, nothing in between will work!
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 17:57
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I believe Melbourne was chosen because itís near Port Canaveral for the cruise ships.
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Old 23rd Apr 2023, 07:55
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Indeed (Orlando) Melbourne MLB was chosen because it’s near Port Canaveral for the groups TUI Marella cruise ships.
TUI's cruise competitor, Virgin Voyages newish product operates from the Port of Miami.

As a package holiday company this brings passengers closer to their cruises, although it has angered many TUI passengers who fly with the company to visit Orlando for Walt Disney World and Universal Orlando Resorts etc.
The TUI MLB Florida route is now also seasonal: from BFS BHX BRS, LGW MAN, NCL, EDI and GLA, so basically TUI have almost abandoned the year-round land/fly-drive holiday packages for the Orlando area.

To put a spin on Florida/Orlando Holidays ----
These leaves Virgin Holidays as the main dedicated package holiday company to serve Orlando, plus BA Holidays too.
However, Virgin Atlantic have drastically cut back it's MCO flights for summer 2023 from all of their UK Airports,
and have dropped completely their once very popular seasonal flights from BFS and GLA.
Their new Edinburgh to Orlando flights have been pushed back to start at the end of June.

Both BA and Virgin fly into MCO, plus Aer Lingus now fly there from MAN.
Norse Atlantic UK Airways start MCO from LGW on May 25th 2023.

No one goes to SFB Sanford Orlando anymore - what a change there - TUI UK was the last airline, now all gone.
Thomas Cook and Monarch were the previous SFB losses.
(Although Thomas Cook Airlines had shifted back to MCO McCoy just before they went under)

Orlando, Florida, USA is one of the world's premier travel destinations, with approximately 70 million visitors a year visiting its various attractions in a ‘normal’ year.
The times are anything but normal now, and the region's tourist industry has been hit hard by the pandemic, with the prolonged closure or reduced accessibility of attractions, and hotels consistently losing business.
The Magic Kingdom theme park (Walt Disney World Florida) saw visitor numbers fall from 20.9 million in 2019 to 6.9 million in 2021.
Walt Disney World Florida was the most visited theme park in the world in 2019, and Florida had six of the top 12 visited attractions globally in that year.

But, notwithstanding that, it has to be said the costs of holidaying to the USA nowadays have shot up and no is longer affordable to many UK families.

I was last in NYC in summer 2019 and a 'Diner' breakfast in Greenwich Village for two cost me almost $40 without the Tip -
Dinner was over $100 for two -- if you were lucky...
Gone are the days of super cheap Alamo Car Hire, a $5.99 Diner breakfast and leave a Dollar Buck for the Waitress.

I can fully understand Jet2 not crossing the 'Pond' and joining in the Florida game.

Re the TUI 787's being 'long in the tooth' - the majority of 788's are now facing 10 years old, and the first 789 came in 2016, then more from 2018.
The state of them both inside and out, have been the subject of comments both on here, and on Travel Forums.
TUI's crews are overwhelmingly fantastic, but many of the long haul ACMI sub charters flown for them last summer were on pretty old replacements and did not serve TUI's Premium product well. Passenger complaints were high.
TUI's Bristol flights to both MLB and CUN suffered delays and diversions during all of the summer for varying technical and operational reasons but this was not a good look with the locals.
787-9 G-TUIP was brand new and f/f in 2021 but for some reason it is still stored in the desert at VCV.

TUI's major German competitor Condor is taking delivery of the new A330-900N to replace its 767-300 fleet.
Having just flown with them on one of these (to Palma) I can say hands down what a fantastic improvement for long haul charter passengers this is.
2-4-2 Y seating as we know, is way superior to 3-3-3 in the 787, although TUI did at first, have a decent 33'' Y seat pitch in its 787's and was much liked by the customers.
Condor's Premium product is outstanding, up there with Virgin and far superior to BA.

Old 787-8's will be hard to shift and so I guess TUI will hang on to them for years though...

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Old 23rd Apr 2023, 11:45
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I'm sure AB will be courting the TUI CEO, with Paris 2024 looming, who knows, something else, canx the Max10 (if it needs for whole new certificate) & 787 replacement?
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Old 23rd Apr 2023, 15:26
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MLB vs MCO

Just a personal note on using MLB vs MCO - MCO is an awful airport to use, Iíve never got out of the terminal in under an hour having arrived on an international flight. Even this week, arriving on BA into the brand new Terminal C at MCO (which is very nice), it still took over 2 hours to leave the terminal after landing. A long walk to baggage reclaim, bags started arriving after 20 mins but were incredibly slow (we were the only intl arrival at the time too), and my bag took another 35 mins before it finally came out. Then 10 mins for immigration, and afterwards 40 mins in a hire car queue (even with status with a pre-booked hire). Some travellers then had travel to the old terminals to pick up their car.

Arriving into MLB is fantastic. Very friendly staff, never any queues, and youíre out in no time at all. If going to Disney/universal in Orlando, youíd probably still get there quicker than you would if you arrived into MCO even with the longer drive.

Met a couple with a house a couple hours south of MCO who now exclusively use the TUI flights to MLB even though for them itís a longer drive as they find the experience so much nicer and quicker than arriving into MCO. At any age, no-one wants to stand around for hours after arriving on a longhaul flight.
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Old 24th Apr 2023, 11:01
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737 deliveries

When are Tui due more 737max to replace the outgoing aircraft
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Old 24th Apr 2023, 16:11
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All max deliveries are on hold due to manufacturing issues yet again with various Boeing aircraft.
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Old 24th Apr 2023, 17:18
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Why did they choose Melbourne, FL over a return to Sanford? There was a time when SFB was the alternative to MCO?
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Old 24th Apr 2023, 18:34
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
Why did they choose Melbourne, FL over a return to Sanford? There was a time when SFB was the alternative to MCO?
The rumour I heard was SFB were trying to put the fees up (a lot) and weren't prepared to invest in the terminal. MLB were very keen to get them in and they've done the terminal up to suit TUI specifically. Couple that to the increase in cruises from port Canaveral.

All the feedback I've heard from people who've used it has all been positive, even with the slightly longer drive, although the milage is more the time taken is negligible compared to SFB.

Although I suspect the Florida holidays are going to suffer in the short term, irrespective of which airport is used, due to the exchange rate and cost of living. All inclusives have more appeal to a lot of families.
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Old 24th Apr 2023, 23:32
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I have heard that Tui 787 G-TUII has been into the hangers at Luton recently and has had its seating changed with the premium cabin removed at the front so now 3-3-3 as as well as the Extra space seats in the most rear cabin is due to position up to Birmingham

This fits in with seating plan that is showing BHX having a 788 operating short/mid haul for most of the week apart from one MEL rotation a week
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Old 25th Apr 2023, 06:11
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Originally Posted by 737James
I have heard that Tui 787 G-TUII has been into the hangers at Luton recently and has had its seating changed with the premium cabin removed at the front so now 3-3-3 as as well as the Extra space seats in the most rear cabin is due to position up to Birmingham

This fits in with seating plan that is showing BHX having a 788 operating short/mid haul for most of the week apart from one MEL rotation a week
So, on the one long haul rotation, does the aircraft fly in short haul configuration?
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Old 25th Apr 2023, 08:36
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Originally Posted by P330
So, on the one long haul rotation, does the aircraft fly in short haul configuration?
Yes I believe so as I have seen comments online of Florida customers being told premium is no longer available and that seat maps have changed.

It makes sense to choose this one flight as MEL is the shortest of the Long Haul routes from BHX and is a more family themed destination
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Old 25th Apr 2023, 09:30
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Originally Posted by 737James
I have heard that Tui 787 G-TUII has been into the hangers at Luton recently and has had its seating changed with the premium cabin removed at the front so now 3-3-3 as as well as the Extra space seats in the most rear cabin is due to position up to Birmingham

This fits in with seating plan that is showing BHX having a 788 operating short/mid haul for most of the week apart from one MEL rotation a week
G-TUII did position LTN-BHX yesterday but then positioned BHX-LGW this morning and is now operating LGW-CUN so presumably no Premium available on that flight.
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Old 26th Apr 2023, 08:58
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Is it possible that TUI are having problems selling premium seats on long haul, the prices seem to be quite high.!
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Is it possible that TUI are having problems selling premium seats on long haul, the prices seem to be quite high.!
Quite the opposite, most of the premium cabins are really heavily booked, hence the high price. If they were struggling to sell the premium then it would be at a reduced cost. Some of the premium cabins are almost £500 per person on some routes.
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Old 26th Apr 2023, 22:18
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Originally Posted by rog747
Yes indeed, a few A320's were leased to BY from Translift/TransAer around 1998/99.

To put the A320 history into context here with TUI musings about any new order -

Excalibur Airways' Airbus A320-200's were the first operator to hit the UK charter market with the new type in 1992 - and look where we have come since then.
Soon after Excalibur, almost everyone who was already a 757 and/or a 737 operator had dipped their toes with the then new A320;
Often just with one or two examples at first - Owners Abroad/Air 2000, IEA, Inspirations Holidays/Caledonian, Leisure International, Ambassador Airlines, and of course Britannia Airways.
Monarch joined in too with a small fleet starting from 1993.

Airtours International took over IEA in 1993 inheriting their two A320 and soon AIH ordered a sole new A320 in their own right, and they then obtained more A320's through Danish partner Conair/Premiair and that saw off their MD-83 fleet. AIH also leased the Excalibur A320's after they went under.
Airworld was an early A320 operator, subsequently, being the in-house charter airline of Thomas Cook, Airworld, adopted the Flying Colours Airlines brand.
Leisure International was bought by Air 2000, and Caledonian Airways was merged into Thomas Cook's new airline brand along with Airworld and Flying Colours to become JMC Air.


I can maybe foresee a 'seachange' at TUI and the A321N's could be part of an order if the Boeing debacle continues, although the B738M has shown and continues to be popular, but notwithstanding the pretty poor show of 787 reliability last summer which saw some sustainable work subbed out to other airlines in the height of the season to keep the long haul operation going.
The TUI 787's seem to be rather long in the tooth and resale prospects look patchy.
For long-haul, many of the European Charters airlines are going with the latest A330-900NEO type, and some with the high density A350.
TUI would be 'back of the queue' for any big Airbus order though, unless there are airfarmes unallocated still not snapped up having been idle due to the economic downturn and Russia etc.
What charter airline in Europe operate the a350?
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Old 27th Apr 2023, 00:03
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Originally Posted by Jeeves.S
What charter airline in Europe operate the a350?
Iberojet ?
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