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For all those that buy a TUI package holiday that obviously has some form of premium pricing in it, you might like to be aware that the Company is holding a gun to the head of all its pilots in its latest pay deal offering.
The proposal is that without a "Yes" vote, then TUI will subcontract 28 airframes for next summer (7 this year) to be operated by third party carriers like SmartLynx and reduce the UK fleet by approx 15 airframes. It is the Aviation equivalent of the P&O Ferries debacle at the start of the year, sack UK crews and replace with cheaper Eastern European labour. And, yes, that is what the pay deal talks about, vote yes or fleet reduction and pilot redundancies.
So just beware that paying that price for a TUI holiday could very well soon mean flying on some third party flying, whose tech reliability this summer has been woeful
The proposal is that without a "Yes" vote, then TUI will subcontract 28 airframes for next summer (7 this year) to be operated by third party carriers like SmartLynx and reduce the UK fleet by approx 15 airframes. It is the Aviation equivalent of the P&O Ferries debacle at the start of the year, sack UK crews and replace with cheaper Eastern European labour. And, yes, that is what the pay deal talks about, vote yes or fleet reduction and pilot redundancies.
So just beware that paying that price for a TUI holiday could very well soon mean flying on some third party flying, whose tech reliability this summer has been woeful
Last edited by Smudge's Lot; 28th Jun 2022 at 09:38.
For all those that buy a TUI package holiday that obviously has some form of premium pricing in it, you might like to be aware that the Company is holding a gun to the head of all its pilots in its latest pay deal offering.
The proposal is that without a "Yes" vote, then TUI will subcontract 28 airframes for next summer (7 this year) to be operated by third party carriers like SmartLynx and reduce the UK fleet by approx 15 airframes. It is the Aviation equivalent of the P&O ship debacle at the start of the year, sack UK crews and replace with cheaper Eastern European labour. And, yes, that is what the pay deal talks about, vote yes or fleet reduction and pilot redundancies.
So just beware that paying that price for a TUI holiday could very well soon mean flying on some poorly maintained/unknown pilot qualifications third party flying.
The proposal is that without a "Yes" vote, then TUI will subcontract 28 airframes for next summer (7 this year) to be operated by third party carriers like SmartLynx and reduce the UK fleet by approx 15 airframes. It is the Aviation equivalent of the P&O ship debacle at the start of the year, sack UK crews and replace with cheaper Eastern European labour. And, yes, that is what the pay deal talks about, vote yes or fleet reduction and pilot redundancies.
So just beware that paying that price for a TUI holiday could very well soon mean flying on some poorly maintained/unknown pilot qualifications third party flying.
This sort or corporate behaviour is unacceptable, but sadly they will probably get away with it, unless the CAA takes umbridge and refuses the third party carriers licences to operate on TUI's behalf.
Your amendment seems entirely justified, and technical reliability has been a feature of third party flying for some years now with these carriers. Thinking about it going back to the era of Scandinavian TriStar operators it was back then too.
If they carry this through with their threat what would TUI with the spare aircraft currently with / allocated to UK? One assumes they'd be shifted to the EU where they wouldn't even try to get away with such a stunt.
If they carry this through with their threat what would TUI with the spare aircraft currently with / allocated to UK? One assumes they'd be shifted to the EU where they wouldn't even try to get away with such a stunt.
Your amendment seems entirely justified, and technical reliability has been a feature of third party flying for some years now with these carriers. Thinking about it going back to the era of Scandinavian TriStar operators it was back then too.
If they carry this through with their threat what would TUI with the spare aircraft currently with / allocated to UK? One assumes they'd be shifted to the EU where they wouldn't even try to get away with such a stunt.
If they carry this through with their threat what would TUI with the spare aircraft currently with / allocated to UK? One assumes they'd be shifted to the EU where they wouldn't even try to get away with such a stunt.
Last edited by Jonty; 28th Jun 2022 at 13:01.
Smudge - I hate to say this... but like the manufacture of sausages, as long as it's not made too obvious when booking (ie hidden in the smallprint), on short haul I don't think most pax from the UK really care about flying TUI UK v Smartlynx, at least until there is a crash and people die.
Easyjet seem to be using SmartLynx and I haven't noticed many complaints in the press about it
Easyjet were using Smartlynx for domestic German flights 4 years ago... very little fuss or noise was generated over this
Perhaps not the message that TUI employees want to hear... but life is not always fair
Easyjet seem to be using SmartLynx and I haven't noticed many complaints in the press about it
Easyjet were using Smartlynx for domestic German flights 4 years ago... very little fuss or noise was generated over this
Perhaps not the message that TUI employees want to hear... but life is not always fair
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According to the travel news, TUI Germany is going from 37 aircraft to 17, with the loss of 700 flight crew jobs.
https://www.breakingtravelnews.com/n...alling-demand/
https://www.breakingtravelnews.com/n...alling-demand/
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Not a good start today for TUI at DSA. 4 flights can’t leave, allegedly due to airport power cut. 2 flights left now but the 4 afternoon flights will also be several hours late.
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TUI are having a tough time of it at the moment. The problem is they do not have any competition on their long haul packages to the likes of Mexico and caribbean. Yes you can fly via Europe or the States but how many families really want the hassle, especially from places like Manchester.
As Mexico and the like continue to rise in popualrity what are the chances of another operator (Jet2 springs to mind using leased equipment) getting interested in operating a few rotations a week? We go to Mexico a couple of times a year and would love the opportunity of booking flight only and sorting our own accomodation out.
As Mexico and the like continue to rise in popualrity what are the chances of another operator (Jet2 springs to mind using leased equipment) getting interested in operating a few rotations a week? We go to Mexico a couple of times a year and would love the opportunity of booking flight only and sorting our own accomodation out.
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TUI are having a tough time of it at the moment. The problem is they do not have any competition on their long haul packages to the likes of Mexico and caribbean. Yes you can fly via Europe or the States but how many families really want the hassle, especially from places like Manchester.
As Mexico and the like continue to rise in popualrity what are the chances of another operator (Jet2 springs to mind using leased equipment) getting interested in operating a few rotations a week? We go to Mexico a couple of times a year and would love the opportunity of booking flight only and sorting our own accomodation out.
As Mexico and the like continue to rise in popualrity what are the chances of another operator (Jet2 springs to mind using leased equipment) getting interested in operating a few rotations a week? We go to Mexico a couple of times a year and would love the opportunity of booking flight only and sorting our own accomodation out.
alternative.
I guess Cape Verde is more likely than Mexico but given many hotels are TUI/RIU; it won’t be easy for someone to come in and try their hand.
Thankfully, Jet2 are doing a great job in terms of offering and service to the main European resorts.
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There was a time I thought TUI were reputable but they have become so unreliable, customer service is dire (try calling them !) and I now avoid. LS (and even FR) now much more dependable. I had a really unpleasant experience recently (3rd in a row and albeit on a Sunwing a/c). Flight was very late (no apology or indeed mention of it), dirty and crew (CWL based I think) looked a mess and were completely disinterested. I hope Jet2 expand further in the U.K. to offer a better choice. Sad really, they were once OK. BTW they were not cheap either.
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Jet2 have been just as bad, if not worse out of some airports, particularly Bristol and Birmingham and especially on the weekends. Not that you’d hear about that here though.
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I know Jet2 halve been hit too - but - they answer their phones and appear to give a damn. Sadly my experience with TUI is the Polaris opposite - I appreciate (being in the industry) how difficult it is at the moment but the way you handle things makes a big difference. I would love to know the difference between TUI and Jet2 NPS scores at the moment. Anyway my money will be going to Jet2 going forward - I feel at least they seem to care about their guests.
