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Old 18th May 2022, 16:18
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Originally Posted by Smudge's Lot View Post
There is never a "based aircraft", it won'y stay in one base for the whole summer, or even a month!

They can be exchanged downroute where the crews will swop onto the other one, or they are just ferried (empty) where they might be needed.

There are various reasons why they keep changing, but the concept of a 1 airframe being based at any TUI airport has never been the truth and never will be.
id been waiting for that comment thanks! Historically TUI will “station’ aircraft at NCL for periods of longer than a month. Arguably TUMO was based at Newcastle for around two
months until it swapped last week. There is always going to be a swap with TUI but surely until a swap takes place the aircraft that leaves NCL
in the morning and returns in the evening is “based”. The dictionary may not help with a definition of based in this context! .
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Originally Posted by Smudge's Lot View Post
There is never a "based aircraft", it won't stay in one base for the whole summer, or even a month!

They can be exchanged downroute where the crews will swop onto the other one, or they are just ferried (empty) where they might be needed.

There are various reasons why they keep changing, but the concept of a 1 airframe being based at any TUI airport has never been the truth and never will be.
There usually is "based" aircraft at certain bases for all airlines (well it's pretty obvious for BA/Virgin).

The reasons they'd swap out is for, as I've stated, maintenance that cannot be performed a the base due facilities (Usually akin to a car service check) and maybe where they need to clear a defect but again would rather do it in a base that has facilities to in case of grounding.

I'm not that ofay with TUI fleet and where they are based, but when Jet2 had the 757 split fleet, AG/AC/AE were predominately MAN based with AK/AB/AJ been LBA based. AA/AD/AI/AH/AN would swap between both bases would AH would be seen more in LBA then MAN and AD the other way round. It was only really AA/AI that would flick properly between the two.

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Old 19th May 2022, 13:24
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Only just received today formal notification of change of aircraft for our inbound to Smartlynx A321. Fortunately pickled it up several weeks ago and was able to sort seats out again. Email stated will be operated with TUI cabin crew.
Just noted on our eTicket issued today return flight aircraft type on the 3 Jun now changed for the 4th time and now showing B757 (Privileged?? ) yet when you log onto my booking on the TUI site still showing A321 hence cant sort the pre booked extra leg seats etc. It took a few weeks for TUI to update last time which isn't great. Certainly a bit of juggling going on still. So maybe in answer to some previous queries on leased aircraft TUI for this summer, perhaps not having a A321 at Manchester?
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Old 19th May 2022, 14:04
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Originally Posted by LBAflyer22 View Post
There usually is "based" aircraft at certain bases for all airlines (well it's pretty obvious for BA/Virgin).

The reasons they'd swap out is for, as I've stated, maintenance that cannot be performed a the base due facilities (Usually akin to a car service check) and maybe where they need to clear a defect but again would rather do it in a base that has facilities to in case of grounding.

I'm not that ofay with TUI fleet and where they are based, but when Jet2 had the 757 split fleet, AG/AC/AE were predominately MAN based with AK/AB/AJ been LBA based. AA/AD/AI/AH/AN would swap between both bases would AH would be seen more in LBA then MAN and AD the other way round. It was only really AA/AI that would flick properly between the two.
Of course its obvious for BA/Virgin, who have 1 main base (LHR)
The TUI fleet of approx 65 airframes has approx 13 UK bases so the airframes are rotated around all those bases, as has been said, for maintenance/lease costs etc.
I am based at LGW on the 787 and never fly the same airframe every week......
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Old 19th May 2022, 20:09
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Originally Posted by SALENO View Post
Just noted on our eTicket issued today return flight aircraft type on the 3 Jun now changed for the 4th time and now showing B757 (Privileged?? ) yet when you log onto my booking on the TUI site still showing A321 hence cant sort the pre booked extra leg seats etc. It took a few weeks for TUI to update last time which isn't great. Certainly a bit of juggling going on still. So maybe in answer to some previous queries on leased aircraft TUI for this summer, perhaps not having a A321 at Manchester?
TUI are showing a SmartLynx A321 based a Manchester, but the issue is SmartLynx's 4 passenger A321s are all operating from BHX for Jet2, so unless they plan to very quickly get their hands on a second hand A321 from somewhere, its not going to happen. So maybe more sub charters, or a downgrade to a SmartLynx A320?

Meanwhile at Gatwick them are meant to be leasing 2 A321's from AvionExpress Malta next week, but guess what, all their A321s are currently subleased to other airlines!!! Do TUI actually know what they are doing?? It must be keeping the TUI planning dept on their toes!!!
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Old 22nd May 2022, 10:34
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Originally Posted by Matt995 View Post
TUI are showing a SmartLynx A321 based a Manchester, but the issue is SmartLynx's 4 passenger A321s are all operating from BHX for Jet2, so unless they plan to very quickly get their hands on a second hand A321 from somewhere, its not going to happen. So maybe more sub charters, or a downgrade to a SmartLynx A320?

Meanwhile at Gatwick them are meant to be leasing 2 A321's from AvionExpress Malta next week, but guess what, all their A321s are currently subleased to other airlines!!! Do TUI actually know what they are doing?? It must be keeping the TUI planning dept on their toes!!!
NEOS 789 operating today's LGW-PFO flight for TUI using AC EI-XIN.

TUI must be seriously short of their own AC this summer with all the extra AC being used from various airlines
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Old 22nd May 2022, 18:47
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Originally Posted by SJL26779 View Post
TUI must be seriously short of their own AC this summer with all the extra AC being used from various airlines
But this was ever the way with traditional IT holiday flight operators which were "captive" to a tour operator. TUI's forbear, Thomson, would use their own Britannia Airways aircraft to the extent practical, but then charter in from various operators, whether UK or resort based (Spantax, Transeuropa, that lot) to add to their capacity where required. They were often not advertised as such in the holiday brochures, it was only apparent on ticketing.
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What is wrong with the Sunwings? See both Tenerife flights from Norwich and Aberdeen are cancelled tonight
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I see the Dublin flight to Zakynthos was cancelled this afternoon too. Any ideas what the cause was?
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Originally Posted by Wrightyboy View Post
What is wrong with the Sunwings? See both Tenerife flights from Norwich and Aberdeen are cancelled tonight
I believe tech, Dalaman also effected today unfortunately from NWI, hopefully get things back up and running soon
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
But this was ever the way with traditional IT holiday flight operators which were "captive" to a tour operator. TUI's forbear, Thomson, would use their own Britannia Airways aircraft to the extent practical, but then charter in from various operators, whether UK or resort based (Spantax, Transeuropa, that lot) to add to their capacity where required. They were often not advertised as such in the holiday brochures, it was only apparent on ticketing.
I get that but most of these AC being brought in don't seem to be planned. For example there was a wamos A330 in BFS yesterday operating for TUI and today there is a Privelege Style A321 on it's way to DUB now and a Privelege style 767 scheduled to op today's TUI tenerife flight from LGW?

Neither of these were planned as far as I am aware? Unless anyone else knows otherwise?

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Old 23rd May 2022, 08:41
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It seems TUI are having problems with the 788's as well. Two out of the last 3 weeks has seen the BHX - SID flight be delayed for 26 hours.
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Old 23rd May 2022, 08:45
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Sounds as though the "Flymaybe" epithet may have moved to TUI from the (former) business for which it was originally coined.

Of course that's nonsense, and the majority of TUI flights are operating to schedule, or very close to it.
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Old 23rd May 2022, 08:59
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Originally Posted by Wrightyboy View Post
What is wrong with the Sunwings? See both Tenerife flights from Norwich and Aberdeen are cancelled tonight
NWI to TFS 22nd May was cancelled due lack of a cabin manager for the flight, I heard.
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NWI to TFS 22nd May was cancelled due lack of a cabin manager for the flight, I heard.
Oh really seems very unfortunate then and considering they couldn't find one for todays flight either then. Seems they are really stretched at the minute staffing wise if thats the case, although I know that's the same for a lot of airlines
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Whilst its true all airlines are having staffing issues it does seem TUI are suffering more than most.
Interestingly I am aware of a number of staff working for other airlines who were with TUI pre pandemic. it may obviously work the other way as well but TUI do seem to have lost a lot of decent staff for some reason .
Its also noticeable that while all the sub chartering is going on using other airlines there are a number of TUI aircraft inactive. BHX for example has a Sunwing ex TUI 737 arrived back from Canada which hasnt moved for about 5 days whilst they are using Air Tanker and Neos amongst others to cover delays,
Hopefully now we are getting in to main season these issues will start to settle, but the brand image is definitely suffering at the moment
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I believe tech, Dalaman also effected today unfortunately from NWI, hopefully get things back up and running soon
Dalaman estimated time of Departure is 18.00 11 hours 10 minutes late
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Old 23rd May 2022, 10:15
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Whilst its true all airlines are having staffing issues it does seem TUI are suffering more than most.
Are they? EZY had 10 cancellations out of LGW alone yesterday, plus at least four 3+ hour delays. Today they've cancelled another 15 flights already out of LGW. Wizz UK only managed one flight out of LGW yesterday with less than an hour's delay, and the TLV had to night stop down route for the fifth time this month. The number of BA cancellations across the season are well publicised.

The only difference is that the PPRuNe spotters are only interested in TUI delays.
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Originally Posted by SJL26779 View Post
Dalaman estimated time of Departure is 18.00 11 hours 10 minutes late
Ouch, think yesterdays TFS from NWI were hoteled over night and then bused down to Gatwick at 5:00am this morning
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Dalaman estimated time of Departure is 18.00 11 hours 10 minutes late
Now showing TOM582 ESTIMATED 21:00
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