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Old 28th Nov 2023, 08:36
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Originally Posted by QEC
To simplify it for you basically my question was that if Edinburgh's at capacity and US flights are being unacceptably delayed thus missing connections Stateside then restart a Glasgow flight, it's just along the road isn't it.
To simplify it for you,.Airlines make that decision and so far they haven't...
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 10:05
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Originally Posted by tictack67
To simplify it for you,.Airlines make that decision and so far they haven't...
One can only wonder at the deals airlines being offered by GD and co, I'm sure the Scottish Executive and what they call up there "visit edinburgh" aren't pushing harder for one airport over the other to secure routes..
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 10:20
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I wonder if TK’s new low cost subsidiary airline will make an appearance at EDI? One to watch….
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 14:23
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I wonder if TK’s new low cost subsidiary airline will make an appearance at EDI? One to watch….
What did you have in mind for them to operate?
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 15:25
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Originally Posted by QEC
One can only wonder at the deals airlines being offered by GD and co, I'm sure the Scottish Executive and what they call up there "visit edinburgh" aren't pushing harder for one airport over the other to secure routes..
I remember Pat Lally used every chance he could to trash PIK, suggesting how many more flights Scotland would have if GLA got transatlantic status. Well he was right if only in the short term. Who speaks that well for Glasgow in the 2020s? Pretty shallow talent pool nowadays. If EDI offers an airline a compelling commercial deal to operate, why isn't GLA doing the same? Are you saying there's something illegal going on?
Airlines have a herd instinct, AC and NW dropped PIK together. Once Continental opened EDI they had a direct GLA/EDI comparison, so they went from one daily EDI and GLA with a second daily B757 4 weekly GLA and 3 weekly EDI. For me, the year that swapped 4/3 in favour of EDI, we could see the direction of travel. I think US Airways was the last one to start out at GLA? Delta offered GLA after years at EDI and then dropped it alongside United. Those guys have got years of data showing which option works better for them.
When Air Canada returned to Scotland, they opened EDI first with Rouge with a smaller GLA operation following a few years later. Having looked at both, they went all into EDI, and not as a new route.
I don't think there's too many shenanigans behind the scenes. It just seems that the airlines have chosen EDI over GLA and like LHR over LGW/STN or MAN over LPL, it's not gonna change.
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 18:20
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
I don't think there's too many shenanigans behind the scenes. It just seems that the airlines have chosen EDI over GLA and like LHR over LGW/STN or MAN over LPL, it's not gonna change.
When a Friday , Saturday or Sunday morning back in the 90s saw 17 wide-bodies at Glasgow most people thought that was it , it wasn't going to change .......................
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 20:02
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I do think scotland has too many airports.. build a mega airport in Central Scotland and close the rest ... look at Berlin for example
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Old 29th Nov 2023, 08:12
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Originally Posted by Ekally1
I do think scotland has too many airports.. build a mega airport in Central Scotland and close the rest ... look at Berlin for example
Berlin is not an example you want to be using!
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Old 29th Nov 2023, 08:41
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Berlin is not an example you want to be using!
Berlin is a good example of the way to go, but not in the manner it was executed!
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Old 29th Nov 2023, 09:00
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Originally Posted by nighthawk117
Berlin is not an example you want to be using!
I think it's a perfect one .. 3 airports closing going into one .. maybe not how it was implemented but I think you knew that
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Old 29th Nov 2023, 18:19
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Originally Posted by Ekally1
I do think scotland has too many airports.. build a mega airport in Central Scotland and close the rest ... look at Berlin for example
Too many airports? Scotland has similarities to Ireland re concentration of market share. Dublin being the main international airport and Shannon being the more regional like airport with a limited number of international routes. Dublin continues to grow and is doing very well. Edinburgh is the main airport in Scotland with Glasgow being the smaller operation. Aberdeen and Inverness are very regional type concerns with a handful of non UK flights. I don’t see things changing dramatically anytime soon. The large international airlines like to fly to capital cities and compete directly. EDI being a good example. Glasgow, for now, has emirates and have one TATL route with Air Transat. That’s it really. One Scottish mega hub if you want to call it this would be mega expensive and would be met with huge resistance from the green brigade and the current political establishment.
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Old 29th Nov 2023, 18:21
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
Too many airports? Scotland has similarities to Ireland re concentration of market share. Dublin being the main international airport and Shannon being the more regional like airport with a limited number of international routes. Dublin continues to grow and is doing very well. Edinburgh is the main airport in Scotland with Glasgow being the smaller operation. Aberdeen and Inverness are very regional type concerns with a handful of non UK flights. I don’t see things changing dramatically anytime soon. The large international airlines like to fly to capital cities and compete directly. EDI being a good example. Glasgow, for now, has emirates and have one TATL route with Air Transat. That’s it really. One Scottish mega hub if you want to call it this would be mega expensive and would be met with huge resistance from the green brigade and the current political establishment.
fully aware of the landscape thanks
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Old 29th Nov 2023, 18:30
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This really is a ridiculous debate. Both of the major Scottish airports are owned by institutional investors with significant amounts of debt secured against them. You're proposing to throw that away and spend even more billions that would need to be borrowed building something else somewhere else. It's playground fantasy stuff.
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Old 29th Nov 2023, 18:35
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This really is a ridiculous debate. Both of the major Scottish airports are owned by institutional investors with significant amounts of debt secured against them. You're proposing to throw that away and spend even more billions that would need to be borrowed building something else somewhere else. It's playground fantasy stuff.
Its not going not happen I get that but is it really a ridiculous debate ? Really ? 3 airports 50 miles apart think there is a valid point there . If i want to bring it up i will .
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Old 30th Nov 2023, 19:02
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QR 359 returns to EDI tomorrow. Great to have them back. A 788 operates the morniing service before the A359 in the afternoon. With EK retaining slots, will they actually use them in 2024? In relation to possible competition for QR, EDI has been mentioned on a couple of non UK forums as a potential new destination for Singapore Airlines.
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Old 30th Nov 2023, 20:03
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QR 359 returns to EDI tomorrow. Great to have them back. A 788 operates the morniing service before the A359 in the afternoon. With EK retaining slots, will they actually use them in 2024? In relation to possible competition for QR, EDI has been mentioned on a couple of non UK forums as a potential new destination for Singapore Airlines.

would say EK coming back would be highly doubtful with their lack of Aircraft and crew and QR going 3 daily some days next year.

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Old 30th Nov 2023, 20:20
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QR going 3 daily some days next year.
Bookable?
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Old 1st Dec 2023, 10:58
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Edinburgh airport, along with Glasgow, Edinburgh and Southampton potentially up for sale.

Four UK airports reportedly up for sale (travelmole.com)
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Old 1st Dec 2023, 18:53
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Originally Posted by SealinkBF
Edinburgh airport, along with Glasgow, ABERDEEN and Southampton potentially up for sale.

Four UK airports reportedly up for sale (travelmole.com)
Mildly sketchy details there… ‘could’ ‘may be’
EDI has apparently been for sale for past few years…
They’ll still all be under same owners this time next year if I was to wager.
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Old 1st Dec 2023, 19:12
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According to Reuters, the majority owner of Edinburgh airport is actively looking to sell. Global Infrastructure Partners (GIP) is looking to offload its majority stake, according to several sources. That would value the airport at about €2.5 billion. It could see a new owner by 2024.
Yes, looks like a space filler. Certainly a sale by the end of the year looks unlikely....
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