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Old 6th Feb 2023, 16:09
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Did I miss it, or was today the first of the extra Qatar flights? Fares going forward seem quite high so LFs must be good.
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Old 6th Feb 2023, 16:13
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It's tomorrow isn't it? QR32 at 7.45am and QR30 at 2.00pm.
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Old 6th Feb 2023, 16:24
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Originally Posted by inOban View Post
Did I miss it, or was today the first of the extra Qatar flights? Fares going forward seem quite high so LFs must be good.
Started last Thursday - 2nd Feb. S23 schedules will be announced imminently apparently. EDI will be hoping for double daily each day in line with the initial slots request.
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Old 6th Feb 2023, 19:52
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Originally Posted by Planeraz View Post
Started last Thursday - 2nd Feb. S23 schedules will be announced imminently apparently. EDI will be hoping for double daily each day in line with the initial slots request.
And still no indication from EK if they will restart EDI. Maybe its S24 at the earliest now.
Also seams Iceland Air has come to knot - does
it cost airlines to hold slots and not use them?
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Old 6th Feb 2023, 20:20
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Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam View Post
And still no indication from EK if they will restart EDI. Maybe its S24 at the earliest now.
Also seams Iceland Air has come to knot - does
it cost airlines to hold slots and not use them?
No penalty for foreign airlines not using slots at EDI. Only UK registered airlines must use or lose slots following CAAs amnesty on slots usage was withdrawn for S23. I wonder if EK is holding off to see what QR do before making a decision? They also have well documented staffing issues, which may be a factor. They are also due to take deliveries of A350s and 787-9 in 2024. The recently rumoured return of Etihad is still on the cards according to contacts at EDI.
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Old 8th Feb 2023, 12:54
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Originally Posted by Planeraz View Post
No penalty for foreign airlines not using slots at EDI. Only UK registered airlines must use or lose slots following CAAs amnesty on slots usage was withdrawn for S23. I wonder if EK is holding off to see what QR do before making a decision? They also have well documented staffing issues, which may be a factor. They are also due to take deliveries of A350s and 787-9 in 2024. The recently rumoured return of Etihad is still on the cards according to contacts at EDI.
Etihad coming back would be a bit of surprise. Perhaps now that they're in a better financial shape, compared to the years of excessive and wasteful investments during the James Hogan era, they are looking at growing the business again in a more sustainable manner.

From a purely selfish point of view I'd prefer Emirates to return over Etihad, simply because they fly to destinations that Etihad don't fly to. Still a bit of competition with Qatar would be good for EDI passengers regardless if either or both decide to return.
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Old 8th Feb 2023, 14:58
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11th based Ryanair aircraft: https://www.heraldscotland.com/busin...burgh-airport/
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Old 8th Feb 2023, 19:12
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Originally Posted by tartan 201 View Post
Looking at their website I see that Weez which had no schedule in S23 now has up to 4/wk. Tallinn has gone.
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 08:05
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Sean M reporting that VS is about to join the Sky Team Alliance. More codeshare opportunities for EDI, primarily with AF and KLM.
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 13:59
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No penalty for foreign airlines not using slots at EDI. Only UK registered airlines must use or lose slots following CAA’s amnesty on slots usage was withdrawn for S23.
Sorry if I sound argumentative, but it's pretty hard to fit as many incorrect statements into two sentences as you have.

Edinburgh is not a fully coordinated airport. The UK has eight fully coordinated (also known as "Level 3") airports which are LHR, LGW, STN, LCY, LTN, MAN, BHX and BRS (for night movements). Most other airports including Edinburgh are schedules facilitated ("Level 2") where technically, slots do not exist. Airlines notify their schedules to the coordinator and maintain a database which does all sorts of things including planning tools and flight information feeds to systems and airport screens. The coordinator may ask if Airline X or Y can move their planned timings to alleviate forecast congestion.

No slot alleviations were given by the CAA. The CAA has no role in slots policy. The alleviations were consulted upon by the UK Department for Transport, passed into law by Parliament and then enacted by Airport Coordination as the UK coordinator. The CAA were almost the only people not to have anything to do with it!

There is no difference in policy applying between UK airlines and overseas airlines operating at UK airports - the slot use-it or lose-it rules are the same for all. So if you have slots at a fully coordinated airport for Summer 2023, you have to use them with 80% regularity or you won't earn historic rights to those slots for future seasons. Not relevant in the case of Edinburgh as it's not fully coordinated to begin with.



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Old 9th Feb 2023, 14:37
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Originally Posted by Flightrider View Post
Sorry if I sound argumentative, but it's pretty hard to fit as many incorrect statements into two sentences as you have.

Edinburgh is not a fully coordinated airport. The UK has eight fully coordinated (also known as "Level 3") airports which are LHR, LGW, STN, LCY, LTN, MAN, BHX and BRS (for night movements). Most other airports including Edinburgh are schedules facilitated ("Level 2") where technically, slots do not exist. Airlines notify their schedules to the coordinator and maintain a database which does all sorts of things including planning tools and flight information feeds to systems and airport screens. The coordinator may ask if Airline X or Y can move their planned timings to alleviate forecast congestion.

No slot alleviations were given by the CAA. The CAA has no role in slots policy. The alleviations were consulted upon by the UK Department for Transport, passed into law by Parliament and then enacted by Airport Coordination as the UK coordinator. The CAA were almost the only people not to have anything to do with it!

There is no difference in policy applying between UK airlines and overseas airlines operating at UK airports - the slot use-it or lose-it rules are the same for all. So if you have slots at a fully coordinated airport for Summer 2023, you have to use them with 80% regularity or you won't earn historic rights to those slots for future seasons. Not relevant in the case of Edinburgh as it's not fully coordinated to begin with.
I am similarly not being argumentative. However, happy to correct you. In the first sentence you copied and pasted to quote, the comment I made was in relation to any penalties an airline could face at EDI for not using slots they apply for. I’m factually correct in saying that no such penalty exists. Many airlines apply for slots but never actually use them for whatever reason. In relation to the CAA and any involvement with legislation pertaining to slots, it is a fact that they were involved in or consulted with prior to decision/legislation being introduced. Trust this clarifies…
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Old 10th Feb 2023, 14:34
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DL209 to JFK had an emergency landing at Prestwick shortly after take off from EDI.

A replacement aircraft positioning from BRU to PIK to take the passengers onwards to JFK
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Old 10th Feb 2023, 14:53
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Originally Posted by NotanAVGeek View Post
DL209 to JFK had an emergency landing at Prestwick shortly after take off from EDI.

A replacement aircraft positioning from BRU to PIK to take the passengers onwards to JFK
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...light-29183947

This must have been terrifying. Fire from part of the wing or engine? Huge credit to the pilots for getting this aircraft down safely.

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Old 10th Feb 2023, 14:59
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Fire from part of the wing
Looks like a surgeing engine to me!
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 05:36
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Originally Posted by Wycombe View Post
Looks like a surgeing engine to me!
Does it really matter from pax.point of view? Looks like flames, acts like flames, fuel.load high, ancient aircraft, and a need to divert and land within 30 minutes to PIK and.utilise long runway, not forgetting the total.disruption to all.pax. Yes ofcourse safety first....so.what causes engine surge?
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 06:37
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Does it really matter from pax point of view?
Well from this passenger's point of view it would, if it was actually the wing on fire.
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 07:50
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Well from this passenger's point of view it would, if it was actually the wing on fire.
🫣🤭..I'll change to "pax perception".
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 08:18
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so.what causes engine surge?
I'm not an expert, so can't tell you what causes them, but they are not uncommon, and can cause a lot of banging and flames - so I agree that they can be alarming to pax who are not aware.

As for a wing fire, I really don't think it was (based on the video evidence)
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Old 13th Feb 2023, 23:13
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Lufthansa reducing frequency on FRA and MUC routes. Europe wide reductions, not just EDI. It looks like MUC will revert to the previously planned 3 x weekly and not daily. Brussels Airlines is increasing to daily from May.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230213-lheu



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Originally Posted by Planeraz View Post
Lufthansa reducing frequency on FRA and MUC routes. Europe wide reductions, not just EDI. It looks like MUC will revert to the previously planned 3 x weekly and not daily. Brussels Airlines is increasing to daily from May.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230213-lheu

Every UK airport apart from Belfast is being reduced.

GLA,NCL,MAN,BHX,BRS,LCY, LHR.all facing similar cuts for the summer.

The reason for the reductions of nearly 1,000 flights over the summer because it can't find enough staff not because demand is low. Interestingly most flights are either Friday, Saturday or Sunday

https://www.businessinsider.com/luft...-europe-2022-6

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