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If you're having to ask that, we are in trouble.
If you don’t get higher loads on a smaller than previously operated schedule then something is a miss. Was the same with NCLs EK service when overall weekly capacity was reduced. Its not rocket science as others have shown.
But everone loves an apparent personal vendetta
If you don’t get higher loads on a smaller than previously operated schedule then something is a miss. Was the same with NCLs EK service when overall weekly capacity was reduced. Its not rocket science as others have shown.
But everone loves an apparent personal vendetta
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Lots to discuss here. GIP have shown themselves to be masters at squeezing the proverbial quart into a pint pot. At EDI this has been done with a mish mash of terminal bolt ons. At LGW it has been done by achieving a considerable increase in the declared capacity of its single runway. In the 1990s I used to participate in the bi annual runway capacity meetings at LGW. These consisted of representatives from ATC, the airport operator, the principal airlines (operating at LGW) and the Scheduling Committee. Obviously safety was the number one concern but thereafter we looked at the modelled effect that increasing runway capacity would have on delays. In general, naturally the airport operator wanted the maximum possible number of movements allowed as this translated directly into revenue for them. The airlines also wanted increased capacity as that meant more slots available, but not at the expense of too much of an increase in delays. We were ecstatic, and highly impressed by ATC, when we managed in the 1990s to get a couple of hours each day declared at 40 movements (previously the maximum was in the 30s). Since then the declared capacity has steadily increased and now peak hours are coordinated to 55 movements. The effect of this is obvious to anyone who travels regularly from LGW - you frequently sit in a queue of departing aircraft for over 30 minutes. As the domestic route I travel on most often is LGWEDI and vv I get the full GIP experience - delays at LGW and inadequate terminal facilities at EDI. Suffice to say I am no fan of GIP.
So what does this mean for EDI in the future? IMHO there is no way GIP will invest in significant terminal expansion (and the idea of knocking it down and rebuilding from scratch is a pipe dream). This is not the GIP model which is, again IMHO, to pump up the asset and sell it on. I cannot see any other source of private equity undertaking massive terminal expansion. I think Holyrood getting involved with any expansion is a non starter. The owners of GLA would scream unfair competition, Nicola is in hoc to the Greens and airport expansion does not fit with the Green agenda and anyway, Scotland has loads of airport capacity, just not necessarily in the right place (but that’s the case with UK airport capacity in general).
My best guess is that EDI will continue to muddle along with a bit of bolt on capacity here and there. If growth continues it will eventually have to be fully coordinated but based primarily on terminal capacity rather than runway capacity. Airlines wishing to add flights will either have to accept sub optimal timings or overflow, presumably to GLA or NCL (while they wait for slots at EDI to become available).
Finally, I agree that this thread is a bit spotter orientated at times which is obvious from some of the rather naive comments posted. But don’t knock the spotters - I started as one in the 1960s and I could name quite a few senior managers in UK airlines who did the same. It’s a tough industry and it helps if you have an enthusiasm for it. After all, you’re (hopefully) going to work for a large chunk of your adult life and it’s much nicer to do something you enjoy.
So what does this mean for EDI in the future? IMHO there is no way GIP will invest in significant terminal expansion (and the idea of knocking it down and rebuilding from scratch is a pipe dream). This is not the GIP model which is, again IMHO, to pump up the asset and sell it on. I cannot see any other source of private equity undertaking massive terminal expansion. I think Holyrood getting involved with any expansion is a non starter. The owners of GLA would scream unfair competition, Nicola is in hoc to the Greens and airport expansion does not fit with the Green agenda and anyway, Scotland has loads of airport capacity, just not necessarily in the right place (but that’s the case with UK airport capacity in general).
My best guess is that EDI will continue to muddle along with a bit of bolt on capacity here and there. If growth continues it will eventually have to be fully coordinated but based primarily on terminal capacity rather than runway capacity. Airlines wishing to add flights will either have to accept sub optimal timings or overflow, presumably to GLA or NCL (while they wait for slots at EDI to become available).
Finally, I agree that this thread is a bit spotter orientated at times which is obvious from some of the rather naive comments posted. But don’t knock the spotters - I started as one in the 1960s and I could name quite a few senior managers in UK airlines who did the same. It’s a tough industry and it helps if you have an enthusiasm for it. After all, you’re (hopefully) going to work for a large chunk of your adult life and it’s much nicer to do something you enjoy.
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Lots to discuss here. GIP have shown themselves to be masters at squeezing the proverbial quart into a pint pot. At EDI this has been done with a mish mash of terminal bolt ons. At LGW it has been done by achieving a considerable increase in the declared capacity of its single runway. In the 1990s I used to participate in the bi annual runway capacity meetings at LGW. These consisted of representatives from ATC, the airport operator, the principal airlines (operating at LGW) and the Scheduling Committee. Obviously safety was the number one concern but thereafter we looked at the modelled effect that increasing runway capacity would have on delays. In general, naturally the airport operator wanted the maximum possible number of movements allowed as this translated directly into revenue for them. The airlines also wanted increased capacity as that meant more slots available, but not at the expense of too much of an increase in delays. We were ecstatic, and highly impressed by ATC, when we managed in the 1990s to get a couple of hours each day declared at 40 movements (previously the maximum was in the 30s). Since then the declared capacity has steadily increased and now peak hours are coordinated to 55 movements. The effect of this is obvious to anyone who travels regularly from LGW - you frequently sit in a queue of departing aircraft for over 30 minutes. As the domestic route I travel on most often is LGWEDI and vv I get the full GIP experience - delays at LGW and inadequate terminal facilities at EDI. Suffice to say I am no fan of GIP.
So what does this mean for EDI in the future? IMHO there is no way GIP will invest in significant terminal expansion (and the idea of knocking it down and rebuilding from scratch is a pipe dream). This is not the GIP model which is, again IMHO, to pump up the asset and sell it on. I cannot see any other source of private equity undertaking massive terminal expansion. I think Holyrood getting involved with any expansion is a non starter. The owners of GLA would scream unfair competition, Nicola is in hoc to the Greens and airport expansion does not fit with the Green agenda and anyway, Scotland has loads of airport capacity, just not necessarily in the right place (but that’s the case with UK airport capacity in general).
My best guess is that EDI will continue to muddle along with a bit of bolt on capacity here and there. If growth continues it will eventually have to be fully coordinated but based primarily on terminal capacity rather than runway capacity. Airlines wishing to add flights will either have to accept sub optimal timings or overflow, presumably to GLA or NCL (while they wait for slots at EDI to become available).
Finally, I agree that this thread is a bit spotter orientated at times which is obvious from some of the rather naive comments posted. But don’t knock the spotters - I started as one in the 1960s and I could name quite a few senior managers in UK airlines who did the same. It’s a tough industry and it helps if you have an enthusiasm for it. After all, you’re (hopefully) going to work for a large chunk of your adult life and it’s much nicer to do something you enjoy.
So what does this mean for EDI in the future? IMHO there is no way GIP will invest in significant terminal expansion (and the idea of knocking it down and rebuilding from scratch is a pipe dream). This is not the GIP model which is, again IMHO, to pump up the asset and sell it on. I cannot see any other source of private equity undertaking massive terminal expansion. I think Holyrood getting involved with any expansion is a non starter. The owners of GLA would scream unfair competition, Nicola is in hoc to the Greens and airport expansion does not fit with the Green agenda and anyway, Scotland has loads of airport capacity, just not necessarily in the right place (but that’s the case with UK airport capacity in general).
My best guess is that EDI will continue to muddle along with a bit of bolt on capacity here and there. If growth continues it will eventually have to be fully coordinated but based primarily on terminal capacity rather than runway capacity. Airlines wishing to add flights will either have to accept sub optimal timings or overflow, presumably to GLA or NCL (while they wait for slots at EDI to become available).
Finally, I agree that this thread is a bit spotter orientated at times which is obvious from some of the rather naive comments posted. But don’t knock the spotters - I started as one in the 1960s and I could name quite a few senior managers in UK airlines who did the same. It’s a tough industry and it helps if you have an enthusiasm for it. After all, you’re (hopefully) going to work for a large chunk of your adult life and it’s much nicer to do something you enjoy.
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Several QR flights oh DOH-EDI over the Christmas period now showing as an A359 rather than 788. There are actually two flights now scheduled for the 27th December - morning flight is an A359 and afternoon flight is a 788.
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Qatar are to increase EDI-DOH to 10x weekly from February.
Source: https://twitter.com/EDI_Airport/stat...rRP39XniA&s=19
Source: https://twitter.com/EDI_Airport/stat...rRP39XniA&s=19
I imagine it's a pre-emptive strike to wrap up market share knowing that Emirates are indeed coming back.
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I think you may be right. The lead in time to going 10 x weekly is also short. Little over a month before increasing. It could also be that demand is high enough to warrant an almost immediate increase. February is normally a slow month for travel, so my money is on what you suggest.
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https://simpleflying.com/qatar-airwa...february-2023/
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when referencing last rise to 10/wk wonder why they chose to comment
”However, with 238,000 seats for sale, it achieved a low seat load factor of just 70%”
Wonder when the current S23 timetable 1x daily offering will switch for after March
”However, with 238,000 seats for sale, it achieved a low seat load factor of just 70%”
Wonder when the current S23 timetable 1x daily offering will switch for after March
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Multiple diversions at EDI this morning due to fog. United went to Dublin. DL flight was cancelled. Potentially another night in Edinburgh for the DL pax whose flight to JFK was booked full. I assume DL will send over another 763 this evening as the Monday flight is also full apart from one J seat.
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Multiple diversions at EDI this morning due to fog. United went to Dublin. DL flight was cancelled. Potentially another night in Edinburgh for the DL pax whose flight to JFK was booked full. I assume DL will send over another 763 this evening as the Monday flight is also full apart from one J seat.
A0005/23 NOTAMNQ) EGPX/QIUCG/I /NBO/A /000/999/5557N00322W005A) EGPH B) 2301010930 C) 2301042359E) ILS RWY 24 CAT I ONLY
CREATED: 01 Jan 2023 09:38:00 SOURCE: EUECYIYN
NOTAM A8571/22: Edinburgh Airport (EGPH)A8571/22 NOTAMNQ) EGPX/QILAS/I /NBO/A /000/999/5557N00322W005A) EGPH B) 2212311030 C) 2301042359E) ILS LOCALIZER RWY 06 U/S
CREATED: 31 Dec 2022 11:05:00SOURCE: EUECYIYN
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A post on a GLA forum is suggesting that EK are about to confirm return to EDI. A lounge is also rumoured for EK at EDI. A number of the contributors appear to be worried about EK’s commitment at Glasgow. Rumours of course until anything is confirmed.
buddyboy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 3:36 pmInterestingly/worryingly neither the EK app or website are allowing me to book for next summer at the moment....
Will allow me to select flights then has an error......
EDI also has an EK flag next to it when you search for it unlike the other UK airports they don't fly to. However it won't show any flight.
Things are getting more and more concerning. Hopefully schedule tinkering and nothing more.This is an unsubstantiated rumour. EDI ground handlers claiming that EK is returning to EDI with plans for a lounge. This could be nothing of course or is their something more than a rumour?
buddyboy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 3:36 pmInterestingly/worryingly neither the EK app or website are allowing me to book for next summer at the moment....
Will allow me to select flights then has an error......
EDI also has an EK flag next to it when you search for it unlike the other UK airports they don't fly to. However it won't show any flight.
Things are getting more and more concerning. Hopefully schedule tinkering and nothing more.This is an unsubstantiated rumour. EDI ground handlers claiming that EK is returning to EDI with plans for a lounge. This could be nothing of course or is their something more than a rumour?
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A post on a GLA forum is suggesting that EK are about to confirm return to EDI. A lounge is also rumoured for EK at EDI. A number of the contributors appear to be worried about EK’s commitment at Glasgow. Rumours of course until anything is confirmed.
buddyboy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 3:36 pmInterestingly/worryingly neither the EK app or website are allowing me to book for next summer at the moment....
Will allow me to select flights then has an error......
EDI also has an EK flag next to it when you search for it unlike the other UK airports they don't fly to. However it won't show any flight.
Things are getting more and more concerning. Hopefully schedule tinkering and nothing more.This is an unsubstantiated rumour. EDI ground handlers claiming that EK is returning to EDI with plans for a lounge. This could be nothing of course or is their something more than a rumour?
buddyboy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 3:36 pmInterestingly/worryingly neither the EK app or website are allowing me to book for next summer at the moment....
Will allow me to select flights then has an error......
EDI also has an EK flag next to it when you search for it unlike the other UK airports they don't fly to. However it won't show any flight.
Things are getting more and more concerning. Hopefully schedule tinkering and nothing more.This is an unsubstantiated rumour. EDI ground handlers claiming that EK is returning to EDI with plans for a lounge. This could be nothing of course or is their something more than a rumour?
Flights freely bookable on all platforms.
Lounge seems ambitious when even 5/wk hasn’t been announced.
Get back to us with something more than GLA spotters forum rumours.
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Carried away? I’ll continue to post as I see fit and within the rules of this forum. Instead of making personal and immature posts, perhaps you can come back with something worthy. Have a great evening
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Dang lol, why is Edinburgh the only forum where people lose their absolute sh#t at the mere discussion of a new route.
Haters got to hate.
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