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Old 18th Dec 2022, 01:30
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe View Post
If you're having to ask that, we are in trouble.
If you donít get higher loads on a smaller than previously operated schedule then something is a miss. Was the same with NCLs EK service when overall weekly capacity was reduced. Its not rocket science as others have shown.
But everone loves an apparent personal vendetta
Whilst that is fair enough, loads aside, QR also carried more pax in Oct 22 than they did in pre-covid Oct 19, even though the schedule has been reduced. So it's not just a case of higher loads due to lower capacity, outright demand for the route is stronger than ever currently. There are no doubt reasons for that, travel rebound/EK still way down on 2019 capacity in Scotland etc, but I don't think there should be any doubt that QR are currently performing strongly at EDI and growth for S23 is highly likely.
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Old 18th Dec 2022, 07:29
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Lots to discuss here. GIP have shown themselves to be masters at squeezing the proverbial quart into a pint pot. At EDI this has been done with a mish mash of terminal bolt ons. At LGW it has been done by achieving a considerable increase in the declared capacity of its single runway. In the 1990s I used to participate in the bi annual runway capacity meetings at LGW. These consisted of representatives from ATC, the airport operator, the principal airlines (operating at LGW) and the Scheduling Committee. Obviously safety was the number one concern but thereafter we looked at the modelled effect that increasing runway capacity would have on delays. In general, naturally the airport operator wanted the maximum possible number of movements allowed as this translated directly into revenue for them. The airlines also wanted increased capacity as that meant more slots available, but not at the expense of too much of an increase in delays. We were ecstatic, and highly impressed by ATC, when we managed in the 1990s to get a couple of hours each day declared at 40 movements (previously the maximum was in the 30s). Since then the declared capacity has steadily increased and now peak hours are coordinated to 55 movements. The effect of this is obvious to anyone who travels regularly from LGW - you frequently sit in a queue of departing aircraft for over 30 minutes. As the domestic route I travel on most often is LGWEDI and vv I get the full GIP experience - delays at LGW and inadequate terminal facilities at EDI. Suffice to say I am no fan of GIP.
So what does this mean for EDI in the future? IMHO there is no way GIP will invest in significant terminal expansion (and the idea of knocking it down and rebuilding from scratch is a pipe dream). This is not the GIP model which is, again IMHO, to pump up the asset and sell it on. I cannot see any other source of private equity undertaking massive terminal expansion. I think Holyrood getting involved with any expansion is a non starter. The owners of GLA would scream unfair competition, Nicola is in hoc to the Greens and airport expansion does not fit with the Green agenda and anyway, Scotland has loads of airport capacity, just not necessarily in the right place (but thatís the case with UK airport capacity in general).
My best guess is that EDI will continue to muddle along with a bit of bolt on capacity here and there. If growth continues it will eventually have to be fully coordinated but based primarily on terminal capacity rather than runway capacity. Airlines wishing to add flights will either have to accept sub optimal timings or overflow, presumably to GLA or NCL (while they wait for slots at EDI to become available).
Finally, I agree that this thread is a bit spotter orientated at times which is obvious from some of the rather naive comments posted. But donít knock the spotters - I started as one in the 1960s and I could name quite a few senior managers in UK airlines who did the same. Itís a tough industry and it helps if you have an enthusiasm for it. After all, youíre (hopefully) going to work for a large chunk of your adult life and itís much nicer to do something you enjoy.

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Old 18th Dec 2022, 09:06
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Lots to discuss here. GIP have shown themselves to be masters at squeezing the proverbial quart into a pint pot. At EDI this has been done with a mish mash of terminal bolt ons. At LGW it has been done by achieving a considerable increase in the declared capacity of its single runway. In the 1990s I used to participate in the bi annual runway capacity meetings at LGW. These consisted of representatives from ATC, the airport operator, the principal airlines (operating at LGW) and the Scheduling Committee. Obviously safety was the number one concern but thereafter we looked at the modelled effect that increasing runway capacity would have on delays. In general, naturally the airport operator wanted the maximum possible number of movements allowed as this translated directly into revenue for them. The airlines also wanted increased capacity as that meant more slots available, but not at the expense of too much of an increase in delays. We were ecstatic, and highly impressed by ATC, when we managed in the 1990s to get a couple of hours each day declared at 40 movements (previously the maximum was in the 30s). Since then the declared capacity has steadily increased and now peak hours are coordinated to 55 movements. The effect of this is obvious to anyone who travels regularly from LGW - you frequently sit in a queue of departing aircraft for over 30 minutes. As the domestic route I travel on most often is LGWEDI and vv I get the full GIP experience - delays at LGW and inadequate terminal facilities at EDI. Suffice to say I am no fan of GIP.
So what does this mean for EDI in the future? IMHO there is no way GIP will invest in significant terminal expansion (and the idea of knocking it down and rebuilding from scratch is a pipe dream). This is not the GIP model which is, again IMHO, to pump up the asset and sell it on. I cannot see any other source of private equity undertaking massive terminal expansion. I think Holyrood getting involved with any expansion is a non starter. The owners of GLA would scream unfair competition, Nicola is in hoc to the Greens and airport expansion does not fit with the Green agenda and anyway, Scotland has loads of airport capacity, just not necessarily in the right place (but that’s the case with UK airport capacity in general).
My best guess is that EDI will continue to muddle along with a bit of bolt on capacity here and there. If growth continues it will eventually have to be fully coordinated but based primarily on terminal capacity rather than runway capacity. Airlines wishing to add flights will either have to accept sub optimal timings or overflow, presumably to GLA or NCL (while they wait for slots at EDI to become available).
Finally, I agree that this thread is a bit spotter orientated at times which is obvious from some of the rather naive comments posted. But don’t knock the spotters - I started as one in the 1960s and I could name quite a few senior managers in UK airlines who did the same. It’s a tough industry and it helps if you have an enthusiasm for it. After all, you’re (hopefully) going to work for a large chunk of your adult life and it’s much nicer to do something you enjoy.
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Old 19th Dec 2022, 12:04
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Several QR flights oh DOH-EDI over the Christmas period now showing as an A359 rather than 788. There are actually two flights now scheduled for the 27th December - morning flight is an A359 and afternoon flight is a 788.
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Old 19th Dec 2022, 13:39
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Originally Posted by A350Saltire View Post
Several QR flights oh DOH-EDI over the Christmas period now showing as an A359 rather than 788. There are actually two flights now scheduled for the 27th December - morning flight is an A359 and afternoon flight is a 788.
Good to see the service continuing to perform well. Todayís flight in both directions were completely full.
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Old 20th Dec 2022, 12:05
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Qatar are to increase EDI-DOH to 10x weekly from February.

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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134 View Post
Qatar are to increase EDI-DOH to 10x weekly from February.

Source: https://twitter.com/EDI_Airport/stat...rRP39XniA&s=19
A very welcome but not unexpected increase in frequency. The operating aircraft will no doubt change as/when required to satisfy demand. Will a certain other ME carrier announce a comeback soon?
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Old 20th Dec 2022, 13:03
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Originally Posted by Planeraz View Post
A very welcome but not unexpected increase in frequency. The operating aircraft will no doubt change as/when required to satisfy demand. Will a certain other ME carrier announce a comeback soon?
I imagine it's a pre-emptive strike to wrap up market share knowing that Emirates are indeed coming back.
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Old 20th Dec 2022, 13:20
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
I imagine it's a pre-emptive strike to wrap up market share knowing that Emirates are indeed coming back.
I think you may be right. The lead in time to going 10 x weekly is also short. Little over a month before increasing. It could also be that demand is high enough to warrant an almost immediate increase. February is normally a slow month for travel, so my money is on what you suggest.
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Old 20th Dec 2022, 13:22
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Presumably aiming to get back to the original 2019 capacity up to 10/wk almost exclusively on A350 back then.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 11:04
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post
Presumably aiming to get back to the original 2019 capacity up to 10/wk almost exclusively on A350 back then.
Interesting article showing how much the route has grown. Even more interesting is that India isnít in top ten final destination for QR from EDI. Presumably EK command this market from Glasgow?

https://simpleflying.com/qatar-airwa...february-2023/
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 12:10
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when referencing last rise to 10/wk wonder why they chose to comment
ĒHowever, with 238,000 seats for sale, it achieved a low seat load factor of just 70%Ē
Wonder when the current S23 timetable 1x daily offering will switch for after March
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Old 1st Jan 2023, 10:31
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Multiple diversions at EDI this morning due to fog. United went to Dublin. DL flight was cancelled. Potentially another night in Edinburgh for the DL pax whose flight to JFK was booked full. I assume DL will send over another 763 this evening as the Monday flight is also full apart from one J seat.
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Old 1st Jan 2023, 10:35
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Originally Posted by Planeraz View Post
Multiple diversions at EDI this morning due to fog. United went to Dublin. DL flight was cancelled. Potentially another night in Edinburgh for the DL pax whose flight to JFK was booked full. I assume DL will send over another 763 this evening as the Monday flight is also full apart from one J seat.
Compounded by the ILS being u/s on 06 and Cat I only on 24:
A0005/23 NOTAMNQ) EGPX/QIUCG/I /NBO/A /000/999/5557N00322W005A) EGPH B) 2301010930 C) 2301042359E) ILS RWY 24 CAT I ONLY
CREATED: 01 Jan 2023 09:38:00 SOURCE: EUECYIYN

NOTAM A8571/22: Edinburgh Airport (EGPH)A8571/22 NOTAMNQ) EGPX/QILAS/I /NBO/A /000/999/5557N00322W005A) EGPH B) 2212311030 C) 2301042359E) ILS LOCALIZER RWY 06 U/S
CREATED: 31 Dec 2022 11:05:00SOURCE: EUECYIYN
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Edinburgh airport now showing as a destination again on emirates website itís on the destination list and route map again after being removed when the route was cancelled
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A post on a GLA forum is suggesting that EK are about to confirm return to EDI. A lounge is also rumoured for EK at EDI. A number of the contributors appear to be worried about EK’s commitment at Glasgow. Rumours of course until anything is confirmed.

buddyboy wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 3:36 pmInterestingly/worryingly neither the EK app or website are allowing me to book for next summer at the moment....

Will allow me to select flights then has an error......

EDI also has an EK flag next to it when you search for it unlike the other UK airports they don't fly to. However it won't show any flight.

Things are getting more and more concerning. Hopefully schedule tinkering and nothing more.This is an unsubstantiated rumour. EDI ground handlers claiming that EK is returning to EDI with plans for a lounge. This could be nothing of course or is their something more than a rumour?
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Originally Posted by Planeraz View Post
A post on a GLA forum is suggesting that EK are about to confirm return to EDI. A lounge is also rumoured for EK at EDI. A number of the contributors appear to be worried about EKís commitment at Glasgow. Rumours of course until anything is confirmed.

buddyboy wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 3:36 pmInterestingly/worryingly neither the EK app or website are allowing me to book for next summer at the moment....

Will allow me to select flights then has an error......

EDI also has an EK flag next to it when you search for it unlike the other UK airports they don't fly to. However it won't show any flight.

Things are getting more and more concerning. Hopefully schedule tinkering and nothing more.This is an unsubstantiated rumour. EDI ground handlers claiming that EK is returning to EDI with plans for a lounge. This could be nothing of course or is their something more than a rumour?
oooft, you donít half get carried awayÖ.
Flights freely bookable on all platforms.
Lounge seems ambitious when even 5/wk hasnít been announced.
Get back to us with something more than GLA spotters forum rumours.
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post
oooft, you donít half get carried awayÖ.
Flights freely bookable on all platforms.
Lounge seems ambitious when even 5/wk hasnít been announced.
Get back to us with something more than GLA spotters forum rumours.
Carried away? Iíll continue to post as I see fit and within the rules of this forum. Instead of making personal and immature posts, perhaps you can come back with something worthy. Have a great evening
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as soon as anyone has the schedule, please post...thank you
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Carried away? Iíll continue to post as I see fit and within the rules of this forum. Instead of making personal and immature posts, perhaps you can come back with something worthy. Have a great evening
I agree with Planeraz here.

Dang lol, why is Edinburgh the only forum where people lose their absolute sh#t at the mere discussion of a new route.

Haters got to hate.

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