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Old 1st Jun 2024, 18:18
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JetBlue JFK-EDI service which is performing poorly according to some will start three weeks earlier in S25. 1st May - eastbound.
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Plenty of time for adjustments positive and negative for 2025 . In the case of JetBlue one would expect them to carry out analysis during and towards the end of this season .

What is evident from very recent events and agreements with BA west of JFK/BOS and east of LHR, along with LGW reductions imply the 321LR services are falling short the strategic objectives.






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Old 1st Jun 2024, 20:02
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Originally Posted by Breathe
An interview with Gordon Dewar talking about the benefits of the US Customs preclearance system.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...united-states/
Hopefully no Scottish assembly Interference on this one or it'll definately be the final nail in Glasgow's coffin re US scheduled flights I'd imagine.
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Hopefully no Scottish assembly Interference
….or the now infamous ‘Visit Scotland’
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Hopefully no Scottish assembly Interference on this one or it'll definately be the final nail in Glasgow's coffin re US scheduled flights I'd imagine.
Not sure what you're trying to say here. Firstly, what interference do you think the Scottish Government would have in this plan, which has been floated for several years now, and not once has Holyrood spoken out against it, indeed it seems to have broad support from the Parliament.

Or do you want them to interfere and stop it as you think not having this in EDI would boost GLA USA flights?

I'm genuinely confused as to your stance.
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Old 2nd Jun 2024, 16:29
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An interesting article. Possible further expansion of QR services to/from EDI. Increasing business class capacity appears to be part of the reason.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co....bring-32938129
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Old 2nd Jun 2024, 16:54
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There needs to be a reassessing of the role of commercial air travel in Scotland. The problem isn't as such the SNP backing Edinburgh Airport or Edinburgh, its Prestwick continuing to operate commercial air travel because its a political hot potato. It sounds like there is some apprehension about closing the terminal because of Ryanair's maintenance base, but why not offer them first refusal on repurposed use of the land the terminal sits on? They have signed a five year deal with FR and that should be the window to decide what to do with the terminal building, theres no way they are ever building a new passenger terminal with tax payer money, BOH's terminal cost £45m when it opened in 2011. Its ridiculous a weak market like Glasgow has two commercial airports. Even if PIK never existed, because of GLA being to the west of Glasgow and EDI being to the west of Edinburgh, EDI has always been better placed to capture its secondary market.

Get rid of PIK and allow GLA to absorb a FR base as well as recalibrating its expectations - forget about long haul and vanity routes, if they come great, but it should not be the priority and its barking up the wrong tree trying to compete for this, it'll just kill the airport. EDI is never going to be say DUB with a world class terminal and a flag carrier but it is undoubtedly the defacto airport for Scotland now, especially the central belt and for Scotland and far north of England as far as long haul and niche routes go. ABZ and INV will always have a place due to geographical remoteness too.
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Interesting article. But I see airline executive speak but no reference to expansion. The give away is that he says that an upgrade to the A35K is ‘not planned’.
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Old 2nd Jun 2024, 20:13
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Get rid of PIK and allow GLA to absorb a FR base as well as recalibrating its expectations - forget about long haul and vanity.
Closing PIK is way more than three based Ryanair B737s. Moving that lock, stock and barrell to GLA won't have any strategic impact at all. The market has chosen EDI over GLA, PIK's a side issue. If they can get by on the much wider activities then good luck to them, the Terminal is getting older and will eventually come to a natural end with no replacement likely to have any ROI. Maybe they'll "find asbestos" and have a face saving closure of the building, but the business is way more than Ryanair.
Good point about EDI missing an anchor flag carrier like DUB though.
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I think without PIK they'd have a small base at GLA of 2/3 aircraft just to keep EDI on their toes. EDI's long term focus is flights to the US and Asia so if FR ever felt they were being overlooked they'd have their leverage to send a warning shot.
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The anti aviation Greens and SNP at Edinburgh council having another attempt to destroy the aviation and tourism sectors. A couple of articles, with the same theme. Effectively, banning any support, advertising or incentives for airlines to serve Edinburgh.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...-suvs-32923594

https://www.localgov.co.uk/Ads-for-c...property/60515
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
The anti aviation Greens and SNP at Edinburgh council having another attempt to destroy the aviation and tourism sectors. A couple of articles, with the same theme. Effectively, banning any support, advertising or incentives for airlines to serve Edinburgh.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...-suvs-32923594

https://www.localgov.co.uk/Ads-for-c...property/60515
Important to note that the policy applies only to
"advertising by third parties which would be installed on assets directly owned by the Council, or contracted, and (ii) third party sponsorship of Council events or initiatives" (see CEC committee paper below).
https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/d...Amendments.pdf
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Originally Posted by tartan 201
Important to note that the policy applies only to
"advertising by third parties which would be installed on assets directly owned by the Council, or contracted, and (ii) third party sponsorship of Council events or initiatives" (see CEC committee paper below).
https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/d...Amendments.pdf
Thanks for the clarification. It goes without saying that by banning “third party” promotion or advertising of airlines on assets directly owned by the council, it would be hypocritical and strange for the council to continue offering financial incentives or promote existing or new airlines wishing to serve EDI. Whether it be direct or indirectly, this could send out the message that Edinburgh is closed for business. Bad publicity is never good publicity IMHO.
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The ban also applies to the advertising of SUVs and other climate-unfriendly activities. I believe route incentives were a ScoGov budget and I don't think that EDI has any need of them any longer.
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Couple of changes starting to filter through for easyJet for W24/25.

Two notable changes are that AYT has been loaded at 1x week until the start of December and that PRG has been loaded at 2x week all season, with additional flights in the first week of December, I will update when the flights go on sale.
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Let's hope they keep their vow!

Edinburgh Airport vows no repeat of baggage mountains this summer

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-airport-vows-no-repeat-of-baggage-mountains-this-summer-4651312

Edinburgh Airport bosses have vowed there will be no repeat of last summer’s mountains of unclaimed luggage and long delays in reuniting passengers with their bags.

Thousands of travellers flying into Edinburgh arrived without their luggage last year and it was sometimes days before they received it. The problem was blamed on staff shortages among baggage handlers and the issue seemed mainly to involve bags not being transferred to connecting flights.

But Edinburgh Airport chief executive Gordon Dewar said investment in extra handling staff, new storage space and a new tracker system should minimise luggage delays this year.

He said the scale of the missing luggage problem was new in the past few years and had become the “new norm” but the recent investment would combat its effects.

Mr Dewar said: “We've had in recent years this really big new challenge of short-shipped bags - that's when the bags don’t come on the same aircraft as the passenger and we end up with this challenge of reuniting them.

“We have put a huge amount of effort into that. Swissport, for example - and all the handlers are doing similar - have now got a team of 10 dedicated people to manage this. For some reason since Covid we’ve seen this massive uplift in short-shipped bags coming from a lot of airports, but the big European hubs being particularly problematic.

“And that's a new area of work for people, so we need to be resourced for it - so staffing levels on the handling, but we've also invested in the facilities to make sure we've got the storage for hopefully a short number of hours while we process them, and the tech to help them get off to their final destination and reunited with the passengers.

“I'd rather not have this problem. Clearly if you arrive without your bag it's frustrating, but what we can say is we're very confident you'll get that very quickly and we won't see anything like the big piles of bags we've had in previous years.”

Mr Dewar said the post-Covid increase in missing luggage had come as “a complete surprise to just about everyone in the industry”. Previously, the airport might have seen about 10-12 bags a day miss a connection. “A bad day would be 50,” he said. And they would be spread out across a number of different destinations, usually through connecting hubs.

“Post Covid, we were seeing hundreds a day and nobody was equipped for it because we hadn't expected it and the handling staff, already struggling to do their core business, just didn't have any resource to deal with this completely unexpected problem.

“What's different this time round is we've accepted this is a new norm - we don't really understand why, or why airlines put up with that - but we're invested in ensuring, first, that our handlers have the resource to do it and I'm confident they have; we've invested in the facilities to store it, so it's not the mess that it was - baggage heaps and getting in people's way: and we've invested in the tech, the way people report a missing bag, making sure we've got the information we need so we can send it on really quickly and efficiently.

“You're still really annoyed, even if you get the bag 12 hours late rather than having it with you, but we're confident it won’t be two or three days and we'll get these things sorted on a daily basis.”
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A new plan to construct a road from Gogar roundabout to the airport.

Edinburgh Airport: Construction of new access road from Gogar roundabout could start next year

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-airport-construction-of-new-access-road-from-gogar-roundabout-could-start-next-year-4654504




Construction of a new access road to Edinburgh Airport could begin as early as next year if the latest plans get the go-ahead, airport bosses have said.



The new road, which would link the airport to the Gogar roundabout, is needed because of the pressure on Eastfield Road, currently the only way in and out of the airport. But last year the Scottish Government upheld Edinburgh council's refusal of the airport’s plans on the grounds it conflicted with the development plan for the area.



Now airport chief executive Gordon Dewar has said new plans will be submitted later this year and he is optimistic they will be approved.



“The road really is creaking at the seams getting into the airport - the single road that buses and taxis and everybody else relies on,” he said. “We have got proposals to build a second road out to the Gogar roundabout. We will expect to resubmit a planning application on that now that the council has got a better view about how everything fits together in the west of Edinburgh.



“That was the issue last time - we couldn't demonstrate how we fitted with other people's plans, largely because we didn't know what other people's plans were, but that now appears to be coalescing around an agreed development plan.



“We are very optimistic that will get a good reception when we next issue it and hopefully allow us to get on with construction, maybe even as early as next year, depending on that planning process.”



Mr Dewar said the congestion on and around Eastfield Road typically led to delays of 10 minutes, but even if did not cause passengers to miss flights it nevertheless had an impact.



“We know when people are coming to the airport they are often a little anxious and that 10 minutes feels like 30 minutes because they're worrying about what happens next. We’ve very rarely seen conditions that risk missing flights.



“We've had a couple of days when getting out of the airport has taken half an hour to an hour - and that's typically because of problems on the A8. The Newbridge junction backs up all the way to the airport junction - that's why having a new access point is key, so you have an alternative to get out to a less congested route.”



Earlier this year, the airport launched a legal challenge to the city council connected to the access road proposals, claiming it had not been properly consulted on a masterplan for West Edinburgh approved by the council last year.



But Mr Dewar said the challenge had now been put on hold. “We cisted that and because there is a new consultation for other reasons that will hopefully solve the problem, so for the moment that's in pause.



“Both of us have agreed that's the right answer and we're confident now that what will go forward to committee will be a better reflection of what we have asked for. Should that happen as we expect, that will give us the platform to get a new application in to get on and build it.”
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Apparently there was a "Gentlemans Agreement" re neither GLA EDI or even ABZ dubbing themselves "Scotland's Airport" - Seems to be out the window now with GD's latest hypocricy - Its (EDI's) new surface access strategy, published this month, stated: “As Scotland’s airport, we must ensure we are connected and accessible to people from Edinburgh, Elgin and Eigg.” Mr Dewar told an Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce event to mark the 20th anniversary of United’s New York route in June, which was the airport’s first long-haul route: “We have to try and serve the whole of Scotland.

“We're pretty well-placed geographically. If you were going to have one airport in Scotland, it wouldn't be very far from where Edinburgh is. We can serve the country very well and there are huge benefits of concentration of service by airlines.

“We have got a lot more to offer by concentrating international connectivity through Edinburgh, and as, if not more importantly, in terms of what's going to drive that, the airlines will make more money in Edinburgh - they've seen that for a number of years.”

Mr Dewar even went so far as to say airlines should expand at Edinburgh rather than also launch a route to the same destination from other Scottish airports such as Glasgow.

He went on to contradict himself by saying - “It's much more sensible to have double daily [flights] before you split services - there's a cost implication and there's a customer offer that matters as well.”

He must really have struggled to sign the Emirates deal off rather than contradict himself rather than it go double daily at GLA again, I'm sure.

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Apparently there was a "Gentlemans Agreement" re neither GLA EDI or even ABZ dubbing themselves "Scotland's Airport" - Seems to be out the window now with GD's latest hypocricy - Its (EDI's) new surface access strategy, published this month, stated: “As Scotland’s airport, we must ensure we are connected and accessible to people from Edinburgh, Elgin and Eigg.” Mr Dewar told an Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce event to mark the 20th anniversary of United’s New York route in June, which was the airport’s first long-haul route: “We have to try and serve the whole of Scotland.

“We're pretty well-placed geographically. If you were going to have one airport in Scotland, it wouldn't be very far from where Edinburgh is. We can serve the country very well and there are huge benefits of concentration of service by airlines.

“We have got a lot more to offer by concentrating international connectivity through Edinburgh, and as, if not more importantly, in terms of what's going to drive that, the airlines will make more money in Edinburgh - they've seen that for a number of years.”

Mr Dewar even went so far as to say airlines should expand at Edinburgh rather than also launch a route to the same destination from other Scottish airports such as Glasgow.

He went on to contradict himself by saying - “It's much more sensible to have double daily [flights] before you split services - there's a cost implication and there's a customer offer that matters as well.”

He must really have struggled to sign the Emirates deal off rather than contradict himself rather than it go double daily at GLA again, I'm sure.
He is right though it would have been easier for the likes of EK to add an additional frequency at GLA but for whatever reason they chose not to.

His job is to fight for growth in airlines and routes at EDI and he and his team appear to be very good at it.
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Apparently there was a "Gentlemans Agreement" re neither GLA EDI or even ABZ dubbing themselves "Scotland's Airport" - Seems to be out the window now with GD's latest hypocricy - Its (EDI's) new surface access strategy, published this month, stated: “As Scotland’s airport, we must ensure we are connected and accessible to people from Edinburgh, Elgin and Eigg.” Mr Dewar told an Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce event to mark the 20th anniversary of United’s New York route in June, which was the airport’s first long-haul route: “We have to try and serve the whole of Scotland.

“We're pretty well-placed geographically. If you were going to have one airport in Scotland, it wouldn't be very far from where Edinburgh is. We can serve the country very well and there are huge benefits of concentration of service by airlines.

“We have got a lot more to offer by concentrating international connectivity through Edinburgh, and as, if not more importantly, in terms of what's going to drive that, the airlines will make more money in Edinburgh - they've seen that for a number of years.”

Mr Dewar even went so far as to say airlines should expand at Edinburgh rather than also launch a route to the same destination from other Scottish airports such as Glasgow.

He went on to contradict himself by saying - “It's much more sensible to have double daily [flights] before you split services - there's a cost implication and there's a customer offer that matters as well.”

He must really have struggled to sign the Emirates deal off rather than contradict himself rather than it go double daily at GLA again, I'm sure.
Hypocrisy? The CEO at EDI is doing what a good head should be doing. Aggressively promoting his/her airport. EDI also have a very successful business development team. Airlines serve where they can maximise revenue potential. Is it not the case that leadership teams at other Scottish airport just aren’t up to the job?
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