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Originally Posted by FullyFullyReady
RE: JetBlue going seasonal, according to management there the demand was "OK" but delays in getting engines and therefore a proper fleet complement for the schedule meant LGW was indeed low hanging fruit but expect a return in W25-26. Operating A321-neos (non LR) isn't really sustainable and that needs to be sorted on TATL ops.
Missed this, TATL is always on the A321-271NX, the standard NEO can't make it with a payload worth the trip. There are two long haul configs though C16Y144 and C24Y114, the latter is the one meant for TATL but the former is often seen. jetBlue should have no more range issues than TAP, SAS, Aer Lingus or Air Transat surely?
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non LR neo with lower Mint count operated EDI several times
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Old 15th Jun 2024, 09:44
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
Missed this, TATL is always on the A321-271NX, the standard NEO can't make it with a payload worth the trip. There are two long haul configs though C16Y144 and C24Y114, the latter is the one meant for TATL but the former is often seen. jetBlue should have no more range issues than TAP, SAS, Aer Lingus or Air Transat surely?
The C16 version seems to have been deployed on all Edinburgh and most Dublin flights.

Until 25th May also flew some Gatwick - Boston and one 3/6 flight to JFK - Schedules are now all on C24 as are Heathrow

Amsterdam and Paris receive the C24 versions

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Old 15th Jun 2024, 10:27
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
The C16 version seems to have been deployed on all Edinburgh and most Dublin flights.
That was always the plan:

Flights to Dublin and Edinburgh will operate daily on JetBlue’s Airbus A321neo with Mint® aircraft with 16 redesigned Mint Suite® seats, 144 core seats and the sleek and spacious Airspace cabin interior​​​
https://news.jetblue.com/latest-news...y/default.aspx
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Old 15th Jun 2024, 11:27
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Simply a recognition of local dynamics I suppose higher leisure and lower levels of corporate travel . Does almost certainly negatively impact yield potential .
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Simply a recognition of local dynamics I suppose higher leisure and lower levels of corporate travel . Does almost certainly negatively impact yield potential .
But as it was always planned that way, already taken account of. Anyway, back to Gatwick.
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Old 15th Jun 2024, 15:37
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
Missed this, TATL is always on the A321-271NX
NX has nothing to do with being LR or not, it denotes a Cabin Flex airframe with or without the auxiliary tanks. Even easyJet's 321s are A321-251NXs - the Airbus designation will not describe LR or non-LR.

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
the standard NEO can't make it with a payload worth the trip.
With the access I have to manuals I don't equivocally say it can, but I'm not certain this is entirely correct, especially with JetBlue's operating weights. I'd concede it's a big stretch and don't think LON-NYC would be doable but I've a feeling DUB-BOS would be.

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
There are two long haul configs though C16Y144 and C24Y114, the latter is the one meant for TATL but the former is often seen. jetBlue should have no more range issues than TAP, SAS, Aer Lingus or Air Transat surely?
As other posters have alluded to, I'm only going off the JetBlue website themselves which differentiates clearly between 'A321LR' vs 'A321neo with Mint', along with the specs of the aircraft matching a difference between an LR and non-LR version. Originally though I was making the point that it's not sustainable more from a cabin product consistency point of view, with no ovens/hot food available in Core.
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Old 15th Jun 2024, 21:38
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Virgin to LGW, BRS, GLA and BFS (in addition to LHR&MAN)?

[QUOTE=JW95;11672778]Just finished reading the article, thanks for sharing! I have to admit, I am surprised to see this now, given what the current CEO said not long ago about effectively ruling out a return to LGW given the supposed lack of connectivity versus LHR. Saying that, we would all welcome VS' return to Gatwick, however unlikely and surprising that may be if it does happen. From a leisure route point of view, I could see it making sense in terms of re-establishing a beach/holiday network at LGW, while allowing Virgin to free up slots at LHR for business route expansion. I guess the issue would be whether or not the airline has enough slots at Gatwick to be able to shift leisure back there? With more 330-NEOs arriving, they could decide to extend lease agreements on some of the existing 333s and shift these to LGW to enable the beach destinations to be served from LGW.[/QU

Having just read an article in the Daily Telegraph about Virgin Atlantic management's strategic thinking up to 2030, it appears that they are keeping their options open re restarting operations not only from Gatwick, but from Glasgow and Belfast International as well and are even considering opening an all-new base at Bristol (all premised on Heathrow not getting a 3rd runway and the Heathrow slot pool eventually reducing to (near) 0).

What intrigues me about this is the potential choice of Bristol as an all-new base. It isn't so much the business case as this is a wealthy catchment, with the demand for the type of destinations Virgin typically serves from secondary bases definitely being there, but that Bristol has a rather short runway of just over 2,000 metres, which somewhat limits the destinations that can be served from there with a viable payload. While Bristol has had direct flights to New York before (courtesy of Continental), I'm not sure whether direct flights from there to Florida and the Caribbean are viable given the relatively short runway.

What intrigued me in the above connection as well, is the glaring omission of Birmingham among the list of potential airports to which Virgin could expand by 2030. If any UK airport between the Greater London and Greater Manchester areas is crying out for more direct long-haul flights, it must surely be Birmingham, especially, given that it is closest to the UK's industrial base (or what remains of it).

Interesting.
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Virgin Atlantic have a long history of talking the talk and not walking the walk. They still have that start-up mentality where they need press coverage to be noticed and generate column inches with stuff like this. Worth looking at how much they've promised vs. what they've operated. I am still waiting for them to take the place of BA on GLA-JFK which would happen "when aircraft availability permitted." I love 'em to bits but they're a bit like Jay from The Inbetweeners in that sense....
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Re the earlier comments on Kenya Airways, they are not operating twice daily, year-round flights to Heathrow. I believe the 2nd daily slot pair they had been using was leased and has now been returned to the owner. Anyhow, they are only operating a single daily service to Heathrow this summer.

The Gatwick slots, for three weekly flights, will be used to boost frequency on the Nairobi route I believe, rather than to add a Mombasa service
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Old 16th Jun 2024, 09:45
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VS will do exactly what Delta tell them to do. 'End of'.
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VS will do exactly what Delta tell them to do. 'End of'.
Depends to some extent whether the dormant company Virgin International is reactivated with say a couple of 333s with new leases. This “could” be a vehicle for the brand at other than Heathrow and sufficiently independent of Atlanta as an outside chance . Just throughts
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Old 20th Jun 2024, 05:00
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Another 5 BA Euroflyer cancellations today - and there were 4 yesterday. Really not very good.
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Depends to some extent whether the dormant company Virgin International is reactivated with say a couple of 333s with new leases. This “could” be a vehicle for the brand at other than Heathrow and sufficiently independent of Atlanta as an outside chance . Just throughts
Who will do that? Branson ?? He's almost certainly bound hand and foot by legal agreements with Delta. And who would put money into a 2 plane company?
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Old 20th Jun 2024, 09:14
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Another 5 BA Euroflyer cancellations today - and there were 4 yesterday. Really not very good.
Yes ther have been cancellations owing to lack of pilot availability. Titan return today to help out. BA has similar issues at LHR. Pilot training is at full capacity. Overall the number of cancellations in comparison to total number of flights is quite low. The previous 5 or 6 days before yesterday there were none. Is there a reason why you comment on the cancellations of this one airline and not others?
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I hope BA Gatwick have got you on the payroll vectisman It's not personal.....

Some background on the Virgin piece above :
https://news.sky.com/story/virgin-mo...-deal-10337873
https://find-and-update.company-info...filing-history

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Old 20th Jun 2024, 11:02
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
I hope BA Gatwick have got you on the payroll vectisman It's not personal

Some background
https://news.sky.com/story/virgin-mo...-deal-10337873
https://find-and-update.company-info...filing-history
Trying to connect my post with your links about Virgin?
I was just saying what I think as you often do!
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[QUOTE=FlyGatwick;11677348]
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Just finished reading the article, thanks for sharing! I have to admit, I am surprised to see this now, given what the current CEO said not long ago about effectively ruling out a return to LGW given the supposed lack of connectivity versus LHR. Saying that, we would all welcome VS' return to Gatwick, however unlikely and surprising that may be if it does happen. From a leisure route point of view, I could see it making sense in terms of re-establishing a beach/holiday network at LGW, while allowing Virgin to free up slots at LHR for business route expansion. I guess the issue would be whether or not the airline has enough slots at Gatwick to be able to shift leisure back there? With more 330-NEOs arriving, they could decide to extend lease agreements on some of the existing 333s and shift these to LGW to enable the beach destinations to be served from LGW.[/QU

Having just read an article in the Daily Telegraph about Virgin Atlantic management's strategic thinking up to 2030, it appears that they are keeping their options open re restarting operations not only from Gatwick, but from Glasgow and Belfast International as well and are even considering opening an all-new base at Bristol (all premised on Heathrow not getting a 3rd runway and the Heathrow slot pool eventually reducing to (near) 0).

What intrigues me about this is the potential choice of Bristol as an all-new base. It isn't so much the business case as this is a wealthy catchment, with the demand for the type of destinations Virgin typically serves from secondary bases definitely being there, but that Bristol has a rather short runway of just over 2,000 metres, which somewhat limits the destinations that can be served from there with a viable payload. While Bristol has had direct flights to New York before (courtesy of Continental), I'm not sure whether direct flights from there to Florida and the Caribbean are viable given the relatively short runway.

What intrigued me in the above connection as well, is the glaring omission of Birmingham among the list of potential airports to which Virgin could expand by 2030. If any UK airport between the Greater London and Greater Manchester areas is crying out for more direct long-haul flights, it must surely be Birmingham, especially, given that it is closest to the UK's industrial base (or what remains of it).

Interesting.
Branson on local media this morning slating BHX for queues and security issues so clearly not a fan. Not sure if he is provoking the airport but if Bristol ever did happen cant help feeling it would be heavily promoted in the Midlands
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Originally Posted by vectisman
Yes ther have been cancellations owing to lack of pilot availability. Titan return today to help out. BA has similar issues at LHR. Pilot training is at full capacity. Overall the number of cancellations in comparison to total number of flights is quite low. The previous 5 or 6 days before yesterday there were none. Is there a reason why you comment on the cancellations of this one airline and not others?
And another 2 cancellations today.

EZY cancelled 3 on Wednesday and 2 yesterday - but they have about 200 departures a day, as opposed to the 50 or so Euroflyer, so a significantly higher proportion. I worked at Gatwick for years and hoped the emergence of Euroflyer could put a dent in the EZY stranglehold on the airport - that won't happen if their reliability starts causing reputational damage.
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"If any UK airport between the Greater London and Greater Manchester areas is crying out for more direct long-haul flights, it must surely be Birmingham, especially, given that it is closest to the UK's industrial base (or what remains of it)."

Britain's industrial base is so small it hardly figures these days in terms of generating trips. Look at the growth in long-haul at EDI - it's all tourism
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