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Old 16th Mar 2021, 21:55
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Or rather the airlines will only help pay towards infrastructure they believe their customers will value, for instance EasyJet are not going to pay for premium facilities primarily used by Emirates or BA Club World.
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Old 16th Mar 2021, 22:17
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I think the same could equally be said in reverse!
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Old 17th Mar 2021, 00:35
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I don't think things like lounges come out of general fees to locos. Airlines who want them invest in them, often heavily so. Some airlines resent cross subsidising extravagances like er....travellators, airbridges and.....(no really!) wheelchair meet and assist. We all use the core facilites, drop off should be one, like check in (I use occasionally), bag drop (seldom) etc.
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Old 17th Mar 2021, 00:46
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otherwise every airport would be Luton and every airline would be Spirit
Some of us rather like the idea of flying for minimal cost...
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Old 17th Mar 2021, 01:22
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Then you'll love Luton.
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 14:07
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A whopping 19 passenger flights departing from Gatwick today, the highest since January 10th. Nice to see destinations like Jersey, St Lucia, Bilbao, Rome and Paris back for the first time in a while.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 08:10
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Freebird Airlines now has Antalya on sale this summer, 2 weekly. I hope all this extra capacity to Turkey is needed, as looking at the Covid case numbers in Turkey, it doesn't look good.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 14:27
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Not sure about BAs plans for LGW this summer. My flights to ACE in July/August have just been transferred to LHR.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 15:29
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I read today BA will not operate any short haul flights ex Lgw this summer. No flights now until winter timetable.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 15:45
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My BA flight to St Lucia has also been moved to LHR again this summer.
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 10:21
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Sad news for LGW. Unfortunately, this more-or-less confirms that the South Terminal will now remain closed for the remainder of 2021 I really do hope BA and LGW will be able to bounce back from this awful pandemic once international travel resumes on large scale, whether that be later in the summer or early in the autumn. It is desperately sad watching just how badly Gatwick has been hit with the near total loss of its USA network, and long serving airlines such as Virgin Atlantic. Given that there is still so much uncertainty and lack of clarity regarding the resumption of leisure international travel, my guess is that we probably won't see significant improvements regarding LGW for the rest of 2021, but hopefully in 2022. Hopefully by then LGW can begin to rebuild itself and start bringing back some of its lost services, including long haul operators that were doing well at LGW prior to suspending operations.
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 21:17
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Gatwick does seem to have been impacted the most among the ‘London’ airports. Like you I hope that by 2022 things will start to look a lot brighter for the airport.
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 22:07
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Isn't Norse Atlantic Airways going to be at LGW?
They'll probably secure the US routes to the likes of JFK, SFO, etc. How sustainable that model is remains to be seen, though at least will give LGW that business segment. I think that once a semblance of normality resumes LGW will quickly be full up again. Though with a new mix, less wide bodies and more low cost short haul in the mix. Hopefully the airport can create arrangements that allow for the eventual accommodation of more long haul wide body flying.
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Old 12th Apr 2021, 04:27
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Gatwick’s problem is that it is suffering from slot hoarding so the likes of Wizz can’t get a foothold at the airport even though Gatwick is on life support. If the airlines won’t release the slots they should at least be made to pay Gatwick an income for slot retention. That would at least focus a few minds.
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Old 15th Apr 2021, 11:31
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Correct, that is the plan and it is the intention to very closely mirror the ex DY long haul operation. IIRC, they are anticipating a December 21 launch, although this may yet change in the months ahead depending on the progress of the vaccination programme and emergence of travel corridors between Europe and the USA. Time will indeed tell. Certainly I am hopeful that this will work out for LGW, as prior to Covid, USA services from here were very popular and provided many of us with a good alternative to LHR. It'll be good to see more US destinations back on the departure boards at LGW. On the subject of long haul, I do wonder what the picture will look like for Gatwick going forward medium and long term? I am not anticipating too much of a difference recovery-wise in S21 but what do people reckon LGW will have in store for W21 and S22? LHR will, inevitably quickly fill back up again, so I wonder if those airlines which suspended LGW in the wake of the pandemic will be back in the next year or two? (e.g. Virgin, Cathay Pacific, China Airlines).
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Old 15th Apr 2021, 13:20
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You mean Norwegian II : Back From Insolvency
https://flynorse.com/
"Norse Atlantic Airways believes that there is a need for a new and innovative airline serving the low-cost intercontinental market as the world re-opens. The new airline will offer comfortable flights with fuel-efficient and more environmentally friendly Boeing 787 Dreamliners."
It's not NEW it's a warmed up and relaunched Norwegian Long Haul using the same aicraft and probably the same staff coming back by necessity as the "Rednose Warriors" are recalled. As for innovating, they mean doing EXACTLY what was done before but having written off the enormous debts accumulated in version one.

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I wonder if those airlines which suspended LGW in the wake of the pandemic will be back in the next year or two? (e.g. Virgin, Cathay Pacific, China Airlines).
Cathay will want to get up to speed on 5 x daily slot holding at LHR first and I think China Airlines are super keen on LHR, however Air China may be back but it depends on how fast that market recovers. It looks like they're moving towards military intervention in Taiwan so who knows!

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Old 15th Apr 2021, 14:17
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...Norse Atlantic Airways = Disruptor Mk2 possibly of course.
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Old 15th Apr 2021, 21:08
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It's not NEW it's a warmed up and relaunched Norwegian Long Haul using the same aicraft and probably the same staff coming back by necessity as the "Rednose Warriors" are recalled. As for innovating, they mean doing EXACTLY what was done before but having written off the enormous debts accumulated in version one.
Seems to be quite a lot of that sort of thing going on around the industry at the moment ...
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Old 15th Apr 2021, 21:34
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Norwegian/Norse;

Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.

I happen to agree with him.
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Old 16th Apr 2021, 03:42
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On the other hand, Norwegian suffered from the most unreliable engines in the history of commercial aviation, which resulted in obscene wet leasing costs for years on end. The Max debacle you could say did not really impact them as Covid superceded that issue. Lessons have been learnt and this would be the first time the same management of a previously failed transatlantic loco are starting over again. Usually it's new kids on the block. Ultimately, the legacies will fend them off once again with a price war but I see it working for 5-10 years before that. In that time, it would've made a few people exceptionally more rich. Which like all businesses, is the primary aim.
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