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[vectisman]

I wonder if we could see the return of the BA Gatwick toToronto Summer seasonal. Further developments may also be influenced by how Jet Blue and Norse develop their routes at Gatwick. I agree charges and capacity issues at LHR may also influence matters. We also have Virgin and Delta to consider, who must be watching from the sidelines. I seem to recall that pre-Covid both were considering addition services from Gatwick from summer 2020. Virgin were thinking,I believe, of adding New York or Newark and Delta something like Boston Interesting times.

[7Three7Specialist]

Does anyone know if easyJet and TUI will be relegated back to North Terminal after the summer season?

It's not sustainable for the South if these North based airlines are still going to operate there, especially if Norse expects to base potentially 8 787's at Gatwick and with. BA increasing it's based 777's.

[vectisman]

I expect with the winter schedule TUI, and maybe EasyJet, will be operating once again solely from the North Terminal. However they may use both again South in summer 2023. The TUI flights from South this summer have all been operated by aircraft leased in and operated by the likes of Titan and Smartlynx. Titan tend to fly from South when operating from Gatwick be it for themselves or others.
BA leased easyjet quite a number of slots this summer. They may be taking some of those back if they continue to expand their long haul and short haul flights next summer. This may mean fewer EasyJet flights from South in any case.
I personally can’t see Norse operating anywhere near 8 787s from Gatwick next year.
Don’t forget pre-Covid BA we’re operating 15 777s and up to 32 A320 Airbus aircraft from South during Summer 2019. I don’t think the capacity of the terminal is an issue for a while yet.

[AvGeek1]

Originally Posted by vectisman

I wonder if we could see the return of the BA Gatwick toToronto Summer seasonal. Further developments may also be influenced by how Jet Blue and Norse develop their routes at Gatwick. I agree charges and capacity issues at LHR may also influence matters. We also have Virgin and Delta to consider, who must be watching from the sidelines. I seem to recall that pre-Covid both were considering addition services from Gatwick from summer 2020. Virgin were thinking,I believe, of adding New York or Newark and Delta something like Boston Interesting times.

I think we could definitely see Toronto back with BA at Gatwick, especially as WestJet are ending their service from October, which just leaves Air Transat on the route.

[AirportPlanner1]

What is the story with Westjet? I know they're after LHR slots and have got hold of some which are being used for another route but surely Toronto isn’t going from up to twice a day to nothing?

[JW95]

Scoot to return?

Apparently Scoot will reinstate their service to LGW in the winter according to someone in the customer service team at LGW. I'd be surprised if this happens, given that they only just recently suspended the route.

[JW95]

Originally Posted by vectisman

I expect with the winter schedule TUI, and maybe EasyJet, will be operating once again solely from the North Terminal. However they may use both again South in summer 2023. The TUI flights from South this summer have all been operated by aircraft leased in and operated by the likes of Titan and Smartlynx. Titan tend to fly from South when operating from Gatwick be it for themselves or others.
BA leased easyjet quite a number of slots this summer. They may be taking some of those back if they continue to expand their long haul and short haul flights next summer. This may mean fewer EasyJet flights from South in any case.
I personally can’t see Norse operating anywhere near 8 787s from Gatwick next year.
Don’t forget pre-Covid BA we’re operating 15 777s and up to 32 A320 Airbus aircraft from South during Summer 2019. I don’t think the capacity of the terminal is an issue for a while yet.

RE. EZY - Prior to the airline moves programme in 2017, I remember the CEO (at the time) vastly favouring a consolidated EZY operation from the North Terminal over a split terminal set up as pre 2017. With 90% of their flights in the North now, I'm sure that they would eagerly wish to shift the few flights served from the South Terminal over to their main base in the North, but realistically, can the North Terminal accommodate all of easyJet's flights, given that they have been increasing capacity out of LGW?

[JW95]

Originally Posted by vectisman

I wonder if we could see the return of the BA Gatwick toToronto Summer seasonal. Further developments may also be influenced by how Jet Blue and Norse develop their routes at Gatwick. I agree charges and capacity issues at LHR may also influence matters. We also have Virgin and Delta to consider, who must be watching from the sidelines. I seem to recall that pre-Covid both were considering addition services from Gatwick from summer 2020. Virgin were thinking,I believe, of adding New York or Newark and Delta something like Boston Interesting times.

VS had planned to resume JFK from LGW with the A332, and DL were to operate a service to BOS with the 757. Shame both didn't come to fruition, however, with Norse now having entered, I'm wondering if this may increase the chances of VS and/or DL returning to compete with them at LGW? Added to that, with the ongoing capacity restrictions at LHR until October, and the likelihood that these may be extended beyond then, LGW might look more attractive for the beach/leisure routes currently served from LHR.

[JW95]

Originally Posted by vectisman

BA Euroflyer Gatwick to Tenerife uploaded this morning for winter 2022/2023. Frequency is up to 12 weekly which is double pre-Covid winter schedule.

Good to see their operation expand at Gatwick. I wonder what other routes they are planning on opening up from LGW? It would be nice to see FCO come back- as this was historically served alongside LHR. Are there any plans for it to make a return?

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1

What is the story with Westjet? I know they're after LHR slots and have got hold of some which are being used for another route but surely Toronto isn’t going from up to twice a day to nothing?

They're downsizing in Toronto, focus is moving back to all things Calgary, it's a strategic move at the Canadian end.

[vectisman]

Personally I cannot see BA Gatwick to Rome returning any time soon as Vueling now have up to 3 daily services on that route.

[vectisman]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

They're downsizing in Toronto, focus is moving back to all things Calgary, it's a strategic move at the Canadian end.

Thanks for that information. So maybe room for another daily service at Gatwick as Westjet are two daily this summer. Possibly an opening for Air Canada Rouge(Is it still about?), increased services by Air Transat
or seasonal service by BA.

[Charley B]

Originally Posted by vectisman

Personally I cannot see BA Gatwick to Rome returning any time soon as Vueling now have up to 3 daily services on that route.

i was just about to say that too x

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by vectisman

Thanks for that information. So maybe room for another daily service at Gatwick as Westjet are two daily this summer. Possibly an opening for Air Canada Rouge(Is it still about?), increased services by Air Transat
or seasonal service by BA.

Air Canada Rouge no longer fly long haul and Transat may well just increase fares and limit capacity, BA is, as ever, possible. Given the random LGW-YVR launch, who knows...

[VickersVicount]

whats with the JetBlue LGW specific aircraft ‘adjustments’ - less Mint requirement? Reasonable stretch on a standard A321Neo

[AvGeek1]

https://twitter.com/seanm1997/status/1570306402060738560?s=46&t=2tIYR3cE4SIAvdfRnpHmxg

Being reported that Vueling gain 110 weekly slots from BA for W22 at Gatwick. Unclear if leased or gifted according to SeanM on Twitter.

[vectisman]

That is 55 slot pairs which is about 7 round trips a day. Makes sense to keep slots protected. Although BA will be using about 42 plus slot pairs a day during the winter,
they still have more than they need at the moment.

[AvGeek1]

Delta launching a new seasonal Gatwick-New York JFK service from 10th April 2023, daily flights on 767-300.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-...s-summer-2023/

[JW95]

Welcome back Delta Airlines!

Brilliant news, although shame DL have opted not to go all year round. I wonder if VS might follow by beginning to shift some of the leisure/beach destinations back to LGW?

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Delta launching JFK-LGW is not the actions of a business looking at the UK heading into recession!! Interesting move.