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[j4leaphill]

SKOJB

Do you think these numbers would be possible after the covid situation has passed ?,if the answer is yes,then the claim that we need the extension to attain 1.2 million passengers to break even,is somewhat incorrect then.As with the change in use from current a/c originally to larger aircraft they are hoping for now,is something people complaining about the plans will pick up on and cause a feeling of suspision,and won't help something the authorities should have realised

[055166k]

Rivet Joint
You mention pricing. I looked up my last KL916 ticket SOU to Amsterdam 4th March 2019. It was one-way as I was flying back from DUS later in the week.
KLM Ticket price.............................................£13.00
AIRPORT Passenger Service Charge............£22.00
UK Passenger Duty.........................................£13.32
Total....................................................... ..........£48.32
I wish to differ from the claim that flight prices are high.....TAXES are High.....the airlines get next to nothing.
[Evidence available.....I still have the ticket]

[Buster the Bear]

They'll be no justification for the massive airspace grab planned then.

[BHX5DME]

SKOJB

The 1.7m-2.0m figure was good but these were achieved with FlyBe being the main operator, 2020-21 are more or less written off so we wont know SOU post FlyBe annual pax figure for a for more years yet.

[The Nutts Mutts]

Buster the Bear

What airspace grab? SOU doesn't have any airspace proposals published at the moment. Prior to the new Farnborough airspace, the last airspace change involving SOU was ATC voluntarily reverting part of the Solent CTA to class G (uncontrolled) above Lee-on-Solent as they weren't using it in normal circumstances and it was of more benefit to general aviation in the area.

[adfly]

Flight resumptions

Bringing us back to what is happening now, and hopefully injecting a little positivity as well I've put together the current planned flight resumptions. There is a chance that some of the international flight dates may change but I'm personally quite confident in the domestic/CI/IOM ones as it stands. I've put an asterix next to anything that looks like it is likely to change and two for stuff that looks like it's gonna disappear (yes I am aware to an extent none of it is particularly stable...). Frequency's based on departing flights (couple of the BA routes have additional or less inbound flights due to positioning etc)

Recently the only services have been Aurigny to Guernsey and Blue Islands to Jersey, both operating 3 weekly (M, W, F).

29/03

Aurigny increasing Guernsey to 5 weekly (Mon-Fri)

01/04

Eastern resume Belfast City, 2 weekly (Thurs/Fri, then Mon/Fri)

12/04

Loganair resume Newcastle, 4 weekly (Mon, Thurs, Fri, Sun)
Eastern increase Belfast City to 4 weekly (Mon, Thurs, Fri, Sun)

26/04

Blue Islands increase Jersey to 9 weekly (2x Mon and Fri)

01/05

**Blue Islands resume Guernsey 21 weekly
Loganair resume Glasgow, 5 weekly (Thurs-Mon)
Loganair resume Edinburgh, 5 weekly (Thurs to Mon, Sun and first Sat flight operate via GLA until 17/05)

08/05

Loganair increase Newcastle to 5 weekly (Sat flight added)

17/05

Aurigny increase Guernsey to 21 weekly
Loganair increase Glasgow to 8 weekly (Thurs-Mon, 2x Thurs, Fri, Mon)
Loganair increase Edinburgh to 9 weekly (Thurs-Mon, 2x except Sat)
*Eastern resume Leeds Bradford, 11 weekly (on weekdays there are 2 flights bookable southbound but only 1 northbound, looks like a glitch...)
Eastern resume Manchester, 11 weekly
Eastern resume Teesside, 5 weekly

24/05

KLM Cityhopper resume Amsterdam, 7 weekly

28/05

Blue Islands increase Jersey to 21 weekly

29/05

Volotea (TUI) resume Palma, 1 weekly
BA Cityfler start Bergerac (2 weekly), Faro (1 weekly), Malaga (3 weekly),

30/05

Loganair increase Glasgow to 11 weekly
Loganair increase Edinburgh to 11 weekly
Loganair increase Newcastle to 11 weekly
Eastern increase Belfast City to 6 weekly
BA Cityflyer start Palma (1 weekly), Mykonos (1 weekly), Ibiza (1 weekly)

01/06

Aurigny resume Alderney, 14 weekly

07/06

Blue Islands start Manchester, 18 weekly
*Blue Islands start Dublin, 7 weekly

21/06

Loganair increase Glasgow to 25 weekly
Loganair increase Edinburgh to 25 weekly
Loganair increase Newcastle to 18 weekly

22/06

Loganair start Isle of Man, 3 weekly

24/06

Eastern start Rennes, 3 weekly

25/06

Eastern start Dublin, 4 weekly
Eastern start Gibralter, 2 weekly
Eastern start Nantes, 3 weekly

26/06

BA Cityflyer start Alicante (1 weekly) Limoges (1 weekly), Nice (1 weekly), Florence (2 weekly)
BA Cityflyer increase Palma (2 weekly), Ibiza (2 weekly),

27/06

BA Cityflyer start Edinburgh (1 weekly), Berlin (1 weekly)
BA Cityflyer increase Bergerac (3 weekly)

28/06

Blue Islands increase Jersey to 23 weekly

29/06

Blue Islands increase Manchester to 19 weekly

01/07

Blue Islands resume Guernsey 12 weekly

06/09

Eastern increase Belfast City to 11 weekly

Let me know if there's any mistakes or changes and I will update this post.

[Alteagod]

Fantastic work. I was wondering what was happening with the BHD flights especially but good to see updates and positive moves on domestic flights

[TCAS FAN]

Originally Posted by Buster the Bear

They'll be no justification for the massive airspace grab planned then.

What massive airspace grab? If you are referring to the current suspended ACP, it is still very early days in the consultation process with design options still to be discussed with stakeholders. Options for expansion of controlled airspace are very limited and by no means could be called "massive".

If the ACP is sucessful IMHO any increases will be focussed on providing contiguous airspace to permit an acceptable descent gradient in order to permit straight-in approaches from the north, to replace the current "Winchester orbit" necessary to lose height. This will of course result in fuel burn reductions and thereby reduce CO2 emissions.

Again IMHO there could be the possibility to raise parts of the CTA lower limit south of the airport, for the benefit of GA.

[stewyb]

Thanks adfly, i think TUI are using BA for their Saturday charter

[The Nutts Mutts]

It's showing as Volotea when you do a dummy booking on the TUI website.

[SKOJB]

Immaterial as cannot see much operating abroad in any case!

[rog747]

SOU Runway Planning Council meeting adjourned at 00.45 this morning after 11 hours of deliberations -
No decisions reached and Meeting will reconvene tonight at 18.00

Bournemouth & Dorset Echo pages reports that Bournemouth airport has objected due to, that it can offer what Southampton airport wants.
Southampton Council already objects to any runway extension.

There's currently now a discussion about whether to defer the Planning decision....

Public opinion poll yesterday by Echo newspapers -
80% For v 20% Against

What a mess for a 164m bit of pavement

[Flitefone]

With local elections in a few short weeks, its unlikely that politicians will want to vote on any contentious decision, and risk losing their seat. More likely a council decision after May 6, I still think the extension will get the green light. Much less clear whether the money will actually be spent by the current airport owner. This is likely to drag on for a good while yet.

[Asturias56]

"after 11 hours of deliberations "

just remember the Planning Committee do this for free in their own time.....................

[LTNman]

This is democracy working. At Luton where the airport owner is the planning authority so gets to vote on its own planning applications this would have been waved through in under an hour.

[southside bobby]

LTNman is well aware that Luton is in the last chance saloon when it comes to their own form of local democracy so stated.

[Albert Hall]

With that level of public support behind it, it will be a brave group of councillors to turn it down. It may take time to get there, but this surely has to get through?

[BA318]

Asturias56

Not quite. Cllrs get an allowance and usually Cllrs on a committee get an additional allowance. In some councils this can easily equal a full time job salary for what is usually a couple of evenings a month.

regarding the polls in a local paper it’s hardly scientific. It would be interesting to know if any of the parties have done polling on the airport being an issue. Sadly this is usually kept private and just passed to the candidates so we won’t know.

[shamrock7seal]

Adfly

With all this activity - some of which is the envy of most regional airports in the UK - how on earth can it be that SOU is unviable in its current form which is the main argument behind the extension?

[RW20]

Good points,the runway extension application will no doubt go to Government approval,so this time next year we might hear more!
The big question is will the airport owners fork our for this given that passengers numbers from the airport will be limited to mostly internal routes,and more importantly will the value of the land for building be the ultimate winner?.It's going to be a interesting next few months!