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Let's all be realistic!,Summer 2021 will be very limited with restrictions across the board. So BA operation from SOU will be very limited at best ,indeed the heralded return may be short lived.The aviation industry will be radically changed over the next couple of years ,Key airports in the UK will survive with government support,but some will close, SOU future must surely be in question,especially as the land at the airport must be worth a fortune to the owners. As for the runway extension application,this must now be a total non starter, becoming more irrelevant as the covid crisis continues and effects the aviation industry
Let's all be realistic!,Summer 2021 will be very limited with restrictions across the board. So BA operation from SOU will be very limited at best ,indeed the heralded return may be short lived.The aviation industry will be radically changed over the next couple of years ,Key airports in the UK will survive with government support,but some will close, SOU future must surely be in question,especially as the land at the airport must be worth a fortune to the owners. As for the runway extension application,this must now be a total non starter, becoming more irrelevant as the covid crisis continues and effects the aviation industry
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Brilliant news that the fairs are competitive! also great news about the IOM route and the maintenance company moving from BOH. I have always thought that SOU could accommodate more private aircraft with its wealthy catchment. The plan has always been for the maintenance and business flights to relocate to the land on the north east. Maybe SOU could attract one of the big private jet companies to open up a base on that land and take some of FAB’s traffic.
I also wanted to generally comment about the much more positive posts that are appearing on this thread. It’s great to see and let’s hope it continues. We all know that one strange individual seems to have an agenda against SOU and if we could continue to ignore him hopefully he will go away. Being positive is clearly paying off for the management at SOU with all the good news lately.
Brilliant news that the fairs are competitive! also great news about the IOM route and the maintenance company moving from BOH. I have always thought that SOU could accommodate more private aircraft with its wealthy catchment. The plan has always been for the maintenance and business flights to relocate to the land on the north east. Maybe SOU could attract one of the big private jet companies to open up a base on that land and take some of FAB’s traffic.
I also wanted to generally comment about the much more positive posts that are appearing on this thread. It’s great to see and let’s hope it continues. We all know that one strange individual seems to have an agenda against SOU and if we could continue to ignore him hopefully he will go away. Being positive is clearly paying off for the management at SOU with all the good news lately.
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Kind of but not quite- Signature regularly have to turn down potential business due to space available/bookings already made.
Another FBO would find enough make to make them viable IMHO, although the recent Jetworks news is probably the best scenario- more based bizjets and movements but not competing directly with Signature as they're offering different services not currently available at the airport.
An FBO serving G/A and light bizjets/props would definitely be welcome though- there's huge demand for these flights in the area and at SOU, but they're priced out by Signature's handling fees and airfield ops don't have the resources or space to handle them on a regular basis. This sort of business would do well at SOU and may pick up some work from Bournemouth, Lee on Solent etc.
Another FBO would find enough make to make them viable IMHO, although the recent Jetworks news is probably the best scenario- more based bizjets and movements but not competing directly with Signature as they're offering different services not currently available at the airport.
An FBO serving G/A and light bizjets/props would definitely be welcome though- there's huge demand for these flights in the area and at SOU, but they're priced out by Signature's handling fees and airfield ops don't have the resources or space to handle them on a regular basis. This sort of business would do well at SOU and may pick up some work from Bournemouth, Lee on Solent etc.
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Great news that BA Cityflyer is now teaming up with Loganair to sell UK domestic flights from Southampton! This could be the first step in the airline actually providing some of their own capacity in the future on these routes possibly....
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Is this cityflyer adding a code and selling Loganair flights, is it a BA code being added to Loganair flights (i.e. driven by BA themselves rather than cityflyer)...or is it simply a Loganair codeshare onto the cityflyer-operated Edinburgh-Southampton/vv glorified positioning legs in summer?
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True but as Nutts Mutts has said they do seem to be constantly turning down business. I have witnessed a number of times a business flight landing whilst one is having to leave. I suspect apron space is very limited currently. The supposed move to the north east land would presumably provide more apron space, which the rich catchment could clearly fill. I also wondered whether SOU could approach one of the OEMs such as bombardier, Cessna etc to open up a maintenance base on that land, but they may already have such operations at the London airports. There cannot be much development land in the country with access to a runway. It would be a shame if it is just handed over for more industrial storage sheds that have no aviation connection.
True but as Nutts Mutts has said they do seem to be constantly turning down business. I have witnessed a number of times a business flight landing whilst one is having to leave. I suspect apron space is very limited currently. The supposed move to the north east land would presumably provide more apron space, which the rich catchment could clearly fill. I also wondered whether SOU could approach one of the OEMs such as bombardier, Cessna etc to open up a maintenance base on that land, but they may already have such operations at the London airports. There cannot be much development land in the country with access to a runway. It would be a shame if it is just handed over for more industrial storage sheds that have no aviation connection.
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Any additional traffic outside of scheduled movements will be very difficult to accommodate, bad enough now trying to gain planning for increased core business. Hence don’t foresee the north east side of airport being redeveloped any time soon, especially for anything aviation related!
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Eastern Airways to launch 2 new routes from Southampton:
Credit to Sean M 1997 on social media
- Rennes - begins 29 April 2021 operating on Tuesdays, Thursdays & Sundays
- Nantes - begins 30 April 2021 operating on Mondays, Wednesdays & Fridays
Credit to Sean M 1997 on social media
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Unfortunately you are probably right. I still find it a scandal that the ford factory was turned over to some large sheds with a skeleton workforce of low skilled workers. Meanwhile in Wales and eastern europe car manufacturers are given tax payers money to open factories. You would like to think the Council would not want to make the same mistake with the airport's north east land, which could attract high skilled maintenance and design jobs. As we have seen with the runway extension though, the environment seems to outrank job creation which in global recession is quite insane.
Good news T3 have picked up some French routes. It does seem to be a constant stream of good news at SOU, if only the same positivity was present at the local authorites!
Unfortunately you are probably right. I still find it a scandal that the ford factory was turned over to some large sheds with a skeleton workforce of low skilled workers. Meanwhile in Wales and eastern europe car manufacturers are given tax payers money to open factories. You would like to think the Council would not want to make the same mistake with the airport's north east land, which could attract high skilled maintenance and design jobs. As we have seen with the runway extension though, the environment seems to outrank job creation which in global recession is quite insane.
Good news T3 have picked up some French routes. It does seem to be a constant stream of good news at SOU, if only the same positivity was present at the local authorites!
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It's amazing that some contributors to this post continue to get excited about new routes and carriers who might come to SOU.The cold facts are that there will be little or no Sun routes this year,and indeed any so called second homes routes.Europe will like the UK struggle to contain the existing virus and will probably have to constrain many new mutants.BA much published Southampton return will surely be curtailed,KLM will not return for the forseable future,Easy winter operation might be active for 2021/2022 Winter.This leaves a restricted UK operation,something I can't see the airport surviving on .As for the runway extension,the farcical situation continues to roll on,bearing in mind it was 2019 that application was made! EBC need to confirm that this is not going to happen in the present covid climate,and allow some of the over speculative contributors to this post to get on with the life
If SOU airport is in any really serious danger of filing for bankruptcy AND not being able to reopen under some kind of debt restructuring / bankruptcy process, then it's likely Govt cash will be found from somewhere - be that Eastleigh, Southampton, Hampshire or Westminster, along with a bit of cash perhaps from major employers in the area. SOU will still be a functioning airport in 5 years time; the question is which passenger services will remain and who will own the airport
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Well said. As I keep saying if you ignore a troll it will go away after a while. Constructive criticism is fine, but clearly there is an agenda here or a screw lose. The same message posted frequently for well over a year? Are there any mods on here? Surely a ban is in order by now.