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Old 21st Aug 2021, 16:28
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Mr. Optimistic has made a good point about the range of accommodation available. With domestic tourism being in the doldroms over many years throughout the UK, many hotels have closed and changed use and now with Staycations being heavily promoted, there is now a lack of accommodation available.....I noticed this in Jersey last year and in Bournemouth this year, I am sure that the situation on the IOM is similar
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 16:45
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Because of Brexit and the reluctance of many to work in hospitality, they can't recruit the staff to reopen them.
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 17:20
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How would the Isle of Man be effected by Brexit, it's relationship hasn't changed with the EU?
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 18:21
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Because of the Labour Market, even with less venues open hoteliers are struggling to fill vacancies.
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 18:22
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Mart - technically, you are absolutely right. But I think you are confusing that with the perception of the average EU resident who may be interested in working away for a summer season in the hospitality sector. Expecting them to understand that the IOM and Channel Islands were never part of the EU and therefore nothing has changed since Brexit is a near impossible cause. I suspect the majority will simply think that itís a funny little island off the UK, part of the UK and now off limits to them. Perception rather than reality is the issue.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 01:00
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The staff recruitment issue never arose for IOM hotels for the S2021 season, because the IOM authorities elected to exclude visitors until a very late stage. There was no market for the hotels to open for - residents of a small island aren't going to book them, and I don't think even the exchange deal with Guernsey residents continued into S21. No hotel is going to recruit support staff from overseas against the backdrop of a border lockdown policy. The current situation is the result of quite recent C-19 restrictions, not Brexit concerns. Note that I'm not criticising the IOM's isolation policy re Covid ... that was a matter for Tynwald to decide. But the draconian border controls drove the hotel recruitment response. They essentially lost S21 from a tourism perspective, and (though I stand to be corrected) I don't recall big draws such as the TT or the classic car rallies going ahead this year. I wish them better fortunes all round in 2022 and look forward to joining the influx to the island once I can again book with confidence that the trip can happen.
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Old 26th Aug 2021, 05:17
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Loganair have started to release schedules for Summer 2022.

Manchester increases to 4x Daily
Liverpool to 3x Daily.
Edinburgh 3x Weekly
Birmingham 1x Daily
Jersey - Nothing Showing only connections 1x Weekly via BHX (STC)
Belfast City - Nothing Showing (STC)

if your one of those who likes to have a moan about pricing to the Isle of Man, I wouldn’t look!
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Old 26th Aug 2021, 05:19
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easyJet Summer 2022

Manchester - Nothing Loaded for Summer due to being winter only at present.
Belfast International - 2x Weekly
Liverpool- 11x Weekly
London Gatwick -2x Daily (Drops to 11x Weekly during peak summer)
Bristol - 2x Weekly
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Old 26th Aug 2021, 14:38
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What's the pricing moan?
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 11:07
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EasyJet charging circa £500.00 for a return ticket to London on some dates in September. Unbelievable and outrageous that this is happening for a once a day erratically timed service to Gatwick airport .
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 11:13
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Having just paid circa £880 for two adults return to Gatwick, I've started to accept it's part of life now. The flights are full - or nearly full - practically all of the time it seems, from my recent flying experiences.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 12:13
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They're equally charging £100 return on other dates. Just looking at their website the most expensive flights from IOM to Gatwick on the 2nd Sept were £200+ plus one way. The seating is showing only 25 seats left. So it's clearly a pricing structure driven by demand. If people are willing to pay pay it and easyJet have the monopoly its what will happen! Successful low cost airlines are masters at managing yields.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 12:20
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Be interesting to see when you're flying and what the equivalent fares are on BA to LHR from NCL, EDI or GLA. For example, NCL to LHR next Monday, returning Thursday is about the same price
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 12:24
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I remember a few years back the EZY & BA flights were full and I had to get back to UK that day, Flybe charged me £230 one way to MAN!
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 12:26
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It was over the long Bank Holiday weekend just gone and the flights full in both directions. As I say, I've accepted it. People are travelling and it shows what a silly decision Loganair have made pulling off London market.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 12:57
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There's a world of difference between Easyjet operating an A320 and Loganair flying an ATR42. Loganair were probably paying the same, if not more in fees for their ATR than Easyjet is, while Easyjet divide that cost between 160 pax, Loganair at most could divide it by 50 people. There are also a lot of people on that plane who probably paid a lot less and got the starting fares at £29 one way or whatever Easyjet start at, which wouldn't be so possible on Loganair's smaller plane.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 13:51
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Charging the fares they are is really not quite right in my opinion. I understand that a commercial business is there to make a profit but this is on another level. Its the difficult times that define the working ethics of a company and by any measure the fares they are charging is not right for a once a day erratically timed service to Gatwick. I hope that as the situation hopefully improves in the future those that are happy to actively 'market' Easyjet reflect on that and their commercial behaviour. THE IOMG government should also be reflecting on this too.

And as for the Loganair flying to Heathrow they were doing so on an Embraer 145 not the ATR42 bat the very odd exception. And on the last few flights in August when to my understanding the subsidy had been removed they were charging £300 and I suspect that was making a profit for them. Frankly a twice a daily service to London Heathrow at £300 is infinitely better than what we currently have! Even Sunair are probably able to offer better value than Easyjet right now!
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 14:12
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The other option (and I know it's not always possible) is to get organized and plan in advance. The fares are high for immediate travel. Go one month ahead and there are £50 one way seats available. Go two months ahead and they are half that price again and widely available. Last minute bargains don't exist on scheduled flights and particularly not LCC.

There's times when I fly EZY for £20 one way between BFS and mainland UK including LON airports. I agree Loganair jumped ship too hastily imao, and this seems to be the way they are going on in general, starting and finishing routes after a few months and not even starting them in some cases.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 14:26
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I can get easyJet for £52 rtn in October. They can offer very good value, but with every other airline if the demand is there will ask passengers to pay a premium!
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 14:29
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Have you seen the latest charges at LHR? It certainly has never been cheap, but the Covid recovery surcharges being added on to every aspect of operating there lately have pushed the costs through the metaphorical ceiling. I can't see that you can make operating regional aircraft there work without some financial support (whether that's to/from IOM or anywhere else) and so no support = no route.
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