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Old 9th Apr 2023, 20:39
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Old 27th Apr 2023, 17:52
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https://www.essexlive.news/news/esse...ssions-8380824

More of the same then. I wonder if Alicante is one of them. lol

An Essex airport is "in detailed discussions" with airlines for more than 60 new routes, the airport's CEO has said. John Upton, CEO of London Southend Airport, has said that many new routes are being planned from the seaside city, as the airport 're-starts' afresh following the pandemic.
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Old 27th Apr 2023, 18:27
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Oh please do me a favour, 60 new routes lol 🤣
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Old 27th Apr 2023, 19:21
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Oh please do me a favour, 60 new routes lol 🤣
No , more than 60 he thinks- itís the usual drivel aimed to keep investors happy but I am not sure how many tune in to Essex live😬
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 08:20
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Originally Posted by SouthernAlliance
Oh please do me a favour, 60 new routes lol 🤣
They certainly should be seeking detailed discussions with airlines over as many new routes as possible. However............chances of success are low. Very low until slots are no longer available at the other London airports. In the meantime they should also be seeking as many alternative income streams as possible.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 12:56
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Not upsetting one of their (via AirLivery) customers in having insufficient fire cover today would help!
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 14:03
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Not upsetting one of their (via AirLivery) customers in having insufficient fire cover today would help!
One came in to replace one going out and just about to leave. Temporary problem I guess.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 07:37
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If itís true about the rumours of a new Jet2 base somewhere , maybe those comments recently are hinting at a 3/4 base- that would put a dent in the 60+ routes.
with STN up the road does anybody locally really think this is viable?
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 07:56
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If itís true about the rumours of a new Jet2 base somewhere , maybe those comments recently are hinting at a 3/4 base- that would put a dent in the 60+ routes.
with STN up the road does anybody locally really think this is viable?
Does SEN have time restrictions on take offs and landings.
can SEN take scheduled arrivals 00:01 - 02:30.
Jet2 have a very full summer schedule with 2nd wave departures arriving back after midnight.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 12:47
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Southend Airport Web site say 23:00 cutoff.

"Whilst passenger flights may only be scheduled between 06:30 Ė 23:00 (a limited number between 23:00 Ė 23:30) delayed aircraft may still operate back to Southend during the night-time period.

This was considered as part of the planning application for the runway extension; Southend City Council, Rochford District Council and Essex County Council agreed that as London Southend Airport had always been operational during the night-time, and was already a diversion destination for other airports, and it was reasonable for delayed passenger flight to be able to return passenger back to Southend when there no other suitable alternative airports in the London area."

That must put it at serious disadvantage vs other airports in making maximum usage of and airplane during the day and thus the airlines bottom line.
Looking at tonight, Jet2 have 10 arrivals at MAN, 6 at LBA and 3 at STN after 23:00.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 14:07
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IF any Jet2 aircraft were based at Southend, to get around the night curfew the night flights could be operated from STN instead, were slots presumably aren’t a problem. It would add complexity but allow better utilisation. So something like 0730 SEN-LPA-SEN-AGP-STN-AGP-SEN landing just after 0630am.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 14:10
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It would create a headache for crewing and getting crew back to their cars at either airport and the logistics and expense involved.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 14:29
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I cannot see Jet2 coming to make a base at SEN (as much as folk and spotters may like it) because their newish base up the road at STN is doing rather well -
However the opportunity is there for them if they were to take the risk (but Jet2 tend not to take risks, and SEN's operational hours are too restrictive to an IT airline).

They won't go to LGW - Jet2 like to self-handle and I'm not sure they would be able to at LGW, plus the slots issue and the high costs.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 14:38
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They won't go to LGW - Jet2 like to self-handle and I'm not sure they would be able to at LGW, plus the slots issue and the high costs.
This is the thing.. Jet2 have already made it known they would like to get in to LGW, so unless anything has changed those issues you highlight (with the possible exception of slot shortage) are clearly not insurmountable.

Agree regarding SEN. Seems far too close to STN, although with the proximity to London stranger things have happened. Still, Jet2 employ a cautious approach to growth and this is one of the many reasons that they have done so well so far. You donít generate revenue the way they do by competing with themselves. If they are to pursue growth at smaller airports then I think there are a few others they would look at first.
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This is the thing.. Jet2 have already made it known they would like to get in to LGW, so unless anything has changed those issues you highlight (with the possible exception of slot shortage) are clearly not insurmountable.

Agree regarding SEN. Seems far too close to STN, although with the proximity to London stranger things have happened. Still, Jet2 employ a cautious approach to growth and this is one of the many reasons that they have done so well so far. You donít generate revenue the way they do by competing with themselves. If they are to pursue growth at smaller airports then I think there are a few others they would look at first.
Cool, understood - If Jet 2 do want to go to LGW then I could see that now as they have overtaken TUI as the #1 UK's Tour Operator and they (Jet2) do not as yet fly from Gatwick ! -
So they would be going head to head with them (TUI)
Risky, possibly the biggest risk that Jet2 may ever do to now.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 14:57
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Originally Posted by pug
This is the thing.. Jet2 have already made it known they would like to get in to LGW, so unless anything has changed those issues you highlight (with the possible exception of slot shortage) are clearly not insurmountable.

Agree regarding SEN. Seems far too close to STN, although with the proximity to London stranger things have happened. Still, Jet2 employ a cautious approach to growth and this is one of the many reasons that they have done so well so far. You donít generate revenue the way they do by competing with themselves. If they are to pursue growth at smaller airports then I think there are a few others they would look at first.
Neither easyJet or Ryanair took a negative attitude towards basing aircraft at SEN. They believed they could fill the seats at both locations or they would not have come. Jet2 seem to know exactly what they are doing and as Covid memories fade smart companies will want to take advantage of opportunities that are out there before someone else does.



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Old 29th Apr 2023, 15:18
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Neither easyJet or Ryanair took a negative attitude towards basing aircraft at SEN. They believed they could fill the seats at both locations or they would not have come. Jet2 seem to know exactly what they are doing and as Covid memories fade smart companies will want to take advantage of opportunities that are out there before someone else does.
Ryanair and Easyjet are not Jet2, they also pulled out of SEN so perhaps not a good example of why it is a viable proposition.
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 08:53
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Ryanair and Easyjet are not Jet2, they also pulled out of SEN so perhaps not a good example of why it is a viable proposition.
They went there pre-pandemic to add capacity that was not available at STN etc. Until now, those constraints have not re-emerged but will do so soon. They operated within the constraints of SEN's curfew and no doubt any other operator can make it work too.
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Well course they will, there is no other option but remember SEN was one of the first things to go in the downturn. CEOs will cut things making the least money and hold the greatest risk. It is not as if this risk might show a big reward.
For that reason I do not see a Jet2 base.
It is well known RYR snd EZY forced big discounts thus little or no profit for the airport operator, selling it onto someone who's core business is running other airports is the priority now so all this potential is geared towards that rather than anything else. If they have airlines queueing up, why sell the asset?
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Old 1st May 2023, 04:54
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Busy bank holiday Monday at Southend. The airport’s losses must be mounting daily so how long can this carry on?

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