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Old 6th Aug 2021, 06:32
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What sources? The natural place to look is the live departure board for accuracy and for whatever reason SEN has turned theirs off. Airports need deep pockets at the moment so Southend losing less money is no endorsement of future recovery or returning to profit. If the SEN plan is to wait again for other airports to fill up they might have a long wait.

Events have unfortunately conspired against Southend. Maybe more so than other London Airports so it pains me to say I think Southend’s recovery will be the slowest out of the 6 London Airports to get back to where it was even though they need the least number of flights.
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Old 6th Aug 2021, 06:43
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LTNman - I am sure you have heard of flightradar24.com and are capable of looking at it, should you want to see arrivals and departures at Southend
That said, even when it was at its quietest, Teesside airport still put arrivals and departures on their website - embarassingly quiet, but it was still published
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Old 6th Aug 2021, 06:52
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Gosh - you'd almost think that airports are meant to provide a service to its customers, most of which won't be familiar with FR24 (which also frequently shows 'planned' flights as well as those that actualy operate).

Having tried to sell Carlisle and divested its 'investment' in Teesside so they could concentrate on fortress "build it and they will come" Southend, expecting them to provide such basics doesn't seem too excessive - how much can it cost?
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Old 6th Aug 2021, 07:44
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I doubt that many people care. Nearly everyone I know - even my 80 year old grandparents check Flightradar24 before coming to collect us. I canít remember the last time I visited an airport website to check arrivals and Iím sure thatís the case for a lot of people.

I also doubt it is to avoid embarrassment. Itís data that is easy to find if anyone wanted to make a point. At some points during the past year even Heathrow has had tiny numbers of flights. I flew out of T2 last year at the height of lockdown 1 and there were about 8 flights on the board for the whole day.
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Why bother with a website? Save a few bob, all the infos available elsewhere...
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Old 6th Aug 2021, 08:58
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Stanstedís app hasnít worked in weeks and thatís a much more useful means of monitoring a flight than a website. Iím pleased for LTNman the unavailability of a departures board for an airport they wonít be using is the biggest worry in their life.
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Old 6th Aug 2021, 11:56
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Maybe SEN should point visitors to Flightradar24 then if it is too much effort or too costly to have that information on their own website. Anyway I have taken davidjohnson6 suggestion and looked at Flightradar 24 website. There was 4 departures yesterday, 6 departures today and 4 tomorrow. Seems the airport has 100% recovered.
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Just a note of what RYR are doing in Ireland screwing down airports even more with smaller margins, with reliance on a single operator (I know Wizz are due to return in Oct but time will tell) makes Southend weak in getting any reduced loss or profit.
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Old 6th Aug 2021, 17:12
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Ryanair are ending SEN operations from beginning of Winter 2021. So pretty much no traffic at all soon.
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Just saw that article, thank you and goodnight SEN, or a tactic?
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They really do mess airports about. Donít get too comfortable NCLÖ
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Old 6th Aug 2021, 18:15
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RYR are a far smaller proportion of NCL's traffic, and the 2 a/c RYR base will maybe fill the gap left by EZY...

Can't understand Esken's approach - they have really put all their eggs in one basket. On the surface, they seem to have just given up their position at MME which was bringing in £600k a year to concentrate on SEN.
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I don't think they've "given up" their position at MME, I'm led to believe the relationship was pretty much broken and an agreed exit was preferable to a legal case!

This does indeed leave SEN in a highly precarious position, unless mothballing the terminal means that the losses would actually be lower than keeping it open with a low volume of flights?

Oh, wait a minute though - doesn't Esken also have a lot of lease commitments for some ATR72s?
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Old 6th Aug 2021, 18:32
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It can’t get much more bleaker than this. What future has SEN got now?

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/194...thend-airport/
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So when will Wizz cut their route to Bucharest ?
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Old 6th Aug 2021, 18:54
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Meanwhile only yesterday https://www.essexlive.news/news/esse...-calls-5745523

Seems Glyn Jones was the last to know

London Southend Airport has seen passenger numbers increase in recent weeks and this is projected to continue”
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Doubt it will restart now, just not economic keeping Terminal open for a handful of WZZ flights per week in October.
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I doubt it was economical with Ryanair. Blackpool was only saved by stopping all passenger flights, demolishing the terminal and becoming a GA airfield with limited fire cover.
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Do Ryanair fly anywhere from Southend with aircraft which are based elsewhere, possibly involving a W pattern ?
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A few cargo flights and W patterns will not pay the bills.
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