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Signals & ambitions have been there since JBU (perhaps with ulterior reasoning) first announced transatlantic planning tbh & MAG/LGW will be fully aware of the realities.
More interesting perhaps the posters above with the "news".
More interesting perhaps the posters above with the "news".
Why would you choose STN over LHR if LHR was an option and you wanted to compete with the US majors? It's an absolute no brainer, the only upside at STN would be usage charges would be lower but so's the market.
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As Emirates have found, there is a market in avoiding LHR plus STN also serves the Cambridge corridor. Someone like JetBlue may have been ideal for that, but an irrelevance in the current climate
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There was I thinking I was being realistic & not looking for a rehearsal of the LHR v every other airport debate.
Are JBU really looking to compete with the US majors or something else?
There was I thinking I was being realistic & not looking for a rehearsal of the LHR v every other airport debate.
Are JBU really looking to compete with the US majors or something else?
I have (as ever) no idea what you mean. JetBlue are looking to compete with the US major carriers, United, Delta and American, all of which exclusively use LHR. This immediately puts JetBlue at a competitive disadvantage in the London market against their competitors. This is the same reason WestJet continue to apply for LHR slots so they can more effectively compete with their own major carrier, Mapleflot, er...Air Canada.
It's all about relative competitve advantage, not something a market saturation pro like Emirates is too worried about as they've got the whole region covered all on their own metal.
It's all about relative competitve advantage, not something a market saturation pro like Emirates is too worried about as they've got the whole region covered all on their own metal.
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Hi, in the Luton thread the above figure is quoted for the number of movements for January 2021.
The figure equates to an average of approx 327 movements a day (approx 163 arrivals). Just out of interest would anyone know if the movements for March would be comparable? Are the number of movements currently stable or increasing/decreasing?
Hi, in the Luton thread the above figure is quoted for the number of movements for January 2021.
The figure equates to an average of approx 327 movements a day (approx 163 arrivals). Just out of interest would anyone know if the movements for March would be comparable? Are the number of movements currently stable or increasing/decreasing?
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JetBlue indeed are pretty unknown to UK travellers so would be expected to build up predominantly with US-origin business. These passengers, more than UK ones, would look for Heathrow services, for while UK passengers likely come from a wide range of home starting points, those from the US will be far more concentrated towards Central London hotels and business meetings. Unlike some other areas of the US, from Bermuda Agreement days, those from JetBlue's nodes of New York and Boston have little familiarity with Gatwick, and certainly not with Stansted, and will be appalled with how much a taxi costs, and how long it takes, from those to Park Lane. Americans tend not to do strange trains.
Same as UK-based carriers serving Oakland instead of San Francisco, with the former being a regular failure and them transferring over.
JetBlue indeed are pretty unknown to UK travellers so would be expected to build up predominantly with US-origin business. These passengers, more than UK ones, would look for Heathrow services, for while UK passengers likely come from a wide range of home starting points, those from the US will be far more concentrated towards Central London hotels and business meetings. Unlike some other areas of the US, from Bermuda Agreement days, those from JetBlue's nodes of New York and Boston have little familiarity with Gatwick, and certainly not with Stansted, and will be appalled with how much a taxi costs, and how long it takes, from those to Park Lane. Americans tend not to do strange trains.
Same as UK-based carriers serving Oakland instead of San Francisco, with the former being a regular failure and them transferring over.
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Loganair applied for 138 weekly slots in the Heathrow summer 2020 slot lottery and got nothing. Presumably they applied for Teesside, IOM and NQY (lets say 20 slots each) and maybe also LBA (another 20 slots). Still only adds up to 80 slots so where else were they thinking of flying to?
Eastern Airways applied for 68 weekly slots and Easyjet Europe wanted 98 but were both also unsuccessful. Shenzhen Airlines were the only lucky ones with 4 weekly slots.
(I put this in the Teesside thread originally but it really sits better here).
Eastern Airways applied for 68 weekly slots and Easyjet Europe wanted 98 but were both also unsuccessful. Shenzhen Airlines were the only lucky ones with 4 weekly slots.
(I put this in the Teesside thread originally but it really sits better here).
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In the latest JBU slot merry-go-round they have received none at LHR...sufficient for a daily transatlantic from LGW for Summer with another daily pair available later & have handed back the STN slots.
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This doesn't mean they won any slots out of the pool, these could have been purchased or leased from another airline. Just like JetBlue, Loganair did not appear on the initial coordination report either.
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Not known as yet whether the slots are permanent or awarded under temporary usage waivers.
Certainly though adds more to the JBU well known song & dance routines acted out with major decisions.
Certainly though adds more to the JBU well known song & dance routines acted out with major decisions.
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In my opinion and it’s only my opinion,
I think JetBlue should have chosen STN there is no competition and STN has more European routes for onward connections, LHR has far to much competition, JetBlue could have struck a deal with MAG and expanded from STN and introduced MAN somewhere down the line.
Maybe we could see Aer Lingus do the same and start at MAN and expand into STN.
I think JetBlue should have chosen STN there is no competition and STN has more European routes for onward connections, LHR has far to much competition, JetBlue could have struck a deal with MAG and expanded from STN and introduced MAN somewhere down the line.
Maybe we could see Aer Lingus do the same and start at MAN and expand into STN.