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There is a disturbing trend on this thread to attack posters. It is one thing to disagree, as debate is healthy but it is unacceptable that people like PinOnTheRight with a grand total of 15 posts thinks his posts are acceptable. Well they are not. I calling on the moderator to monitor this thread closely and take action against ALL people who add nothing apart from provoking an argument and causing discord for reasons best known to themselves.
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+1 on this. Whether you agree or disagree it’s fine, and so is healthy debate, but the attacking which is going on, personal or otherwise is out of order. Didn’t think I’d see cancel culture on PPRuNe. How long before #metoo because people are upset and offended by posts they don’t like.
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I don't this has been mentioned on here today?
https://www.sharecast.com/news/news-...--7770403.html
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Bar chart taken from a Council report that will be discussed on January 12th 2021. Remember you have seen it here first.
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I would have thought so. 2020/2021 still has 3 months to run but it is clear that other months are missing but I don’t know how many. I am sure someone will add up the months from April to reach 2m.
I suspect the Council is looking to project a more grim picture than reality to justify further cutbacks. Regardless of passenger numbers LLAL receives £3m in fees even if there was not a single passenger but they don’t mention this. The problem is that LLAL has gone from being a zero risk company to a property developer, airport speculator, and now a soon to be transport operator so has raked up massive debts that they can’t cover. The solution was to borrow £83m from the Council who has cut every possible service to the bone.
I suspect the Council is looking to project a more grim picture than reality to justify further cutbacks. Regardless of passenger numbers LLAL receives £3m in fees even if there was not a single passenger but they don’t mention this. The problem is that LLAL has gone from being a zero risk company to a property developer, airport speculator, and now a soon to be transport operator so has raked up massive debts that they can’t cover. The solution was to borrow £83m from the Council who has cut every possible service to the bone.
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My concern is that these recent troll postings seem to be part of a trend to try and trivialise and discredit those who are legitimately discussing and highlighting the many issues regarding the airport (and particularly the actions of LBC!)
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Make no mistake the Council monitors this thread. They also run a suspected unofficial dirty tricks department run by a councillor so who are the trolls? Many might scoff at that thought but it is true that many think there are dark forces inside this Council.
The airport directors are subject to an investigation by the Local Government Ombudsman for breaches that they thought they could get away with, which is delayed due to Covid but that investigation will come back to life next month.
The Council was also subject last year to an investigation by the Information Commissioners Office for a deliberate malicious data beach that was made to damage an individual who exposed wrong doing at the Council that was airport related and again was about the conduct of airport directors who are all councillors. Data breaches are actually criminal acts.
Their mistake was to leak a private email to a hostile site without first removing the Council markers. The email was forwarded by the Council after being screen shot and then sent from a private email account to hide the offenders identity. The email was originally sent to the Council leader on a Saturday afternoon when the Council offices and Town Hall was shut. 4 hours later it was published together with insulting comments. In fact the sort of comments I now read here. The only people to see that email was the Council leader, the leader of the opposition, the CEO and the Corporate Director.. All denied leaking the email but a Council investigation looking at the email servers found that the trail stopped with them and yes I have a copy of the report.
The airport directors are subject to an investigation by the Local Government Ombudsman for breaches that they thought they could get away with, which is delayed due to Covid but that investigation will come back to life next month.
The Council was also subject last year to an investigation by the Information Commissioners Office for a deliberate malicious data beach that was made to damage an individual who exposed wrong doing at the Council that was airport related and again was about the conduct of airport directors who are all councillors. Data breaches are actually criminal acts.
Their mistake was to leak a private email to a hostile site without first removing the Council markers. The email was forwarded by the Council after being screen shot and then sent from a private email account to hide the offenders identity. The email was originally sent to the Council leader on a Saturday afternoon when the Council offices and Town Hall was shut. 4 hours later it was published together with insulting comments. In fact the sort of comments I now read here. The only people to see that email was the Council leader, the leader of the opposition, the CEO and the Corporate Director.. All denied leaking the email but a Council investigation looking at the email servers found that the trail stopped with them and yes I have a copy of the report.
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LTNman I am aware of the incident you mention regarding the leaked e-mail and if I recall correctly it was taken down fairly rapidly from the Troll FB page where it appeared! I find it staggering that LBC are engaging in such behavior against their own residents and it seems they feel they are untouchable (even when reports such as the one you mention clearly indicate they are involved) How we can ever hope that they are fully brought to account seems nothing more than a pipe-dream! These recent troll postings here definitely exhibit similar traits!
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The Council actually initially refused to ask for the email to be removed saying it was up to the email author to take action. It took around 2 weeks before they reluctantly took action
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I have found no evidence within this forum to suggest trolls exist unless you are confusing some entries; which are positive and welcome the future plans for the airport development. Yes some comments might appear damming of other’s entries, but that is to be expected. It reminds me of a conversation I once had with David Franks (who I have known personally for over three decades) who is a Leading Luton Councillor. We both had different views regarding the airport operation. Needless to say I respected his views and he mine, however my vision for the airport is half way there!
I have found no evidence within this forum to suggest trolls exist unless you are confusing some entries; which are positive and welcome the future plans for the airport development. Yes some comments might appear damming of other’s entries, but that is to be expected. It reminds me of a conversation I once had with David Franks (who I have known personally for over three decades) who is a Leading Luton Councillor. We both had different views regarding the airport operation. Needless to say I respected his views and he mine, however my vision for the airport is half way there!
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Bill Gates getting some flack for bidding to buy Signature Flight Support whilst preaching climate change in a new book. Perhaps he will only accept electric biz jets if he gets his hands in it!
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The airport is making the news for all the wrong reasons with no social distancing at Luton despite the latest lockdown and the airport press releases that the airport is Covid compliant. Will these passengers be following the quarantine requirements for entering the UK?
https://www.hertfordshiremercury.co....IXcI2qb1EI7zqk
https://www.hertfordshiremercury.co....IXcI2qb1EI7zqk
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Not good. Certainly not right now, and once to much, but sadly not unique to LTN:
LGW arrivals a few days ago:
LHR:
MAN:
And here's a quick google of stories from around the world going back a few months (I could go on!)
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...hobic-23211407
https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2...-celebrations/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/govern...es-at-airport/
https://skytraxratings.com/amsterdam...uring-covid-19
https://www.newstalk.com/news/irish-...flight-1125626
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/135186...vid-christmas/
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/pa...JTBJXSCLPC7KA/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...istancing.html
https://www.ladbible.com/news/uk-pas...rport-20200722
LGW arrivals a few days ago:
MAN:
And here's a quick google of stories from around the world going back a few months (I could go on!)
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...hobic-23211407
https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2...-celebrations/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/govern...es-at-airport/
https://skytraxratings.com/amsterdam...uring-covid-19
https://www.newstalk.com/news/irish-...flight-1125626
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/135186...vid-christmas/
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/pa...JTBJXSCLPC7KA/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...istancing.html
https://www.ladbible.com/news/uk-pas...rport-20200722
