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Old 16th Sep 2021, 09:49
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The reason airports and the travel industry are asking for help is because they're being prevented from trading due to the nonsensical travel restrictions. They know they will bounce back, but they need some help in the interim. Any Government support is likely to come with strings attached in any case.

The longer this drags on the more jobs will be lost in the industry and the more people will leave the industry for jobs elsewhere.

This article is a sobering read: https://www.bedfordshirelive.co.uk/n...y-6000-5915717
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Old 16th Sep 2021, 12:37
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Whether some or all of the restrictions are nonsensical if of course a matter of opinion. AISI, most of the restrictions are now being imposed by other countries (hardly surprising given our case rate )
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Old 16th Sep 2021, 13:16
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LLAOL have saved millions be refusing to pay any concession fees so keeping all the dosh. It is the Luton residents that have suffered due to a double whammy of actions by the airport owner and the airport operator. Both have received money from the government while the Luton Council taxpayer has been screwed by extra demands for money and cutbacks due to its airport.

As for jobs, there is actually now a recruitment crisis in parts of the airport after people left or were made redundant. People no longer want to work there for as little as £7.50 an hour on a 24/7 shift patten. Begs the question where will the airport get the staff for an expanded airport now many workers have headed east across Europe.

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Old 16th Sep 2021, 18:05
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Again Jobs are not a Luton specific problem and with almost 1M job vacancies in UK Plc employees can pick and choose. Wages will have to rise, thus costs which will get past on to the paying public just as MOL said.
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Old 16th Sep 2021, 19:10
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Wages at the airport were suppressed for years due to an unlimited supply of cheap labour although not all applicants had a checkable work history so could not get jobs in sensitive areas. Many companies got contracts by putting in the lowest bid so will find it hard to raise wages.

Oh if anyone wants a taxi from the airport there isnít any. The taxi company that pays a fee to the airport wants a new deal but the airport is holding out so the company hasnít reinstated the taxi service that was suspended when Luton had low passenger numbers.
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Old 17th Sep 2021, 16:03
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Looking at the W21 Co-ordination report it looks as though Ryanair have (unsuccessfully) applied to double their allocation of slots. It also seems as though FlyOne has had its slot request declined in its entirety.
Otherwise very little change.
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Old 17th Sep 2021, 19:26
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The way I read that as well is a request to double the size of the RYR operation, they obviously think there is good money to be made from Luton. Where that leaves FlyOne I don't know but Vueling don't seem to be in a rush back but this is still fluid.
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Old 17th Sep 2021, 21:56
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Think it was reported here in one of the links that Easyjet claimed Gatwick and not Stansted or Luton is where the real money is made.

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Old 18th Sep 2021, 06:38
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And the companies involved have to think of longer term approaches too rather than this constant turnstile like manner of hiring and firing. There isn’t a labour shortage… there’s a wage shortage!

I remember being turned down for a job at the airport at the start of my career just over 10 years ago by one of the airports recruiting agencies - they would’ve offered £7.50ph for 4 hours a day, 6 days a week, often starting at 4am.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 08:05
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Nothing has changed, my son worked as a baggage handler for a year maybe 3 years ago on I think a 20 hour minimum contract. The company he worked for employed a permanent recruitment agency to constantly find replacement staff for the stream that left every month. Once employed they would work directly for the employment agency for so many months and then work directly for the employer where the 6 month probation period would start again. Some days he would indeed work just for 4 hours and would then return home. The airport also took their cut by charging him a weekly car park charge. Just getting to and from the car park by airport bus would add a good 30 minutes to his day. By the time travel costs were added it was not worth getting out of bed for short shift days.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 08:12
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Forgive my ignorance... but while Luton town may be struggling, neither Hertfordshire nor Bedfordshire are renowned for poverty
Why do people living locally instead not just use their time to learn skills for better paid jobs, and give 2 fingers to those offering to pay peanuts ?
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 11:18
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The Council have continually claimed one of the main justifications for the pipe dream of Terminal 2 is to provide more jobs for the locals. Based on current wages and conditions its clear they are deluding themselves! Its also well known that the majority of those who are employed in the fairly small amount of better paid jobs do not even live in Luton!!
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I guess people get caught in a vicious cycle. Re-training can be expensive, be it the cost of a course or the cost of time off from your actual paid job to study. People probably can't afford to do it when they've mouths to feed and bills to pay.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 12:50
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No they live in Hertfordshire - which doesn't get any benefit from the airport apparently!
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 13:06
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They certainly don't all live in Hertfordshire.......even young pilots on recent contracts can't usually look in that direction!
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 13:11
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Indeed. An airport will have a wide catchment area for employment. I would imagine that most well-paid employees at LHR and LGW don't live in Hounslow or Crawley either.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 14:02
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Plenty of vacancies at the airport. Anyone want a job?

example 1
Shift working patterns include: early starts, late finishes, nights, weekdays and weekends.
Roster and shift patterns are affected and influenced by the airline schedules and are subject to change.

example 2

Please note that this position does require flexibility in hours as airport shifts can start at 3am.
  • 10 hour shift
  • 12 hour shift
  • 8 hour shift
  • Day shift
  • Monday to Friday
  • Night shift
  • Weekends
At least the above pays £9 per hour. Not great for night shifts at weekends but then the above two are classed as low skilled work. Maybe they should retain as lorry drivers or go to Amazon who are now offering £1000 sign on bonuses for warehouse staff paying around £11 per hour. A consequence of Brexit that wages are rising outside the airport?
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 14:57
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Luton is a large pocket of deprivation in an otherwise-affluent region. It has a heritage of industrial production, which has now largely gone (think Electrolux, SKF, Commer/Karrier, Bedford Trucks, Whitbread, and of course Vauxhall which employed over 25,000 in its heyday), but the housing remains and the population need employment. As wages rise nationally, the trend will eventually reach Luton, to the benefit of all employees.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 16:20
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Wages up = Fares up!......Quite how LTN will continue to attract its core customer base of very price conscious passengers if this happens will be interesting to see. The recent pre-Covid growth was based primarily on the very low fares on offer and any noticeable increase will certainly have an impact.

I would imagine that most well-paid employees at LHR and LGW don't live in Hounslow or Crawley either.

I think that's fairly obvious!.......but in the case of LTN, LBC continually uses local jobs as a justification for T2! Even with T2, Luton is hardly going to move into the league of St Albans or MK and many will continue to struggle on whatever wages they can manage to achieve.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 17:38
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Seems I may have accidentally subscribed to the local politics forum again.
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