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Old 26th May 2021, 20:42
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Thought that location is in the middle of a red zone so who would go there unless they wanted a 2 week stay at the Holiday Inn at Luton Airport.
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Old 26th May 2021, 20:45
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I don't think Gaziantep sees many British tourists. Gazipaşa is more akin to the week-on-the-beach brigade. Have a look on a map to understand why
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As posted before back in the day when originally introduced ex STN this was predominately ethnic origin traffic.
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Old 27th May 2021, 11:56
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Thanks Forbes magazine for publishing a list of most polluting private jet routes from Luton, I would have thought Farnborough would be more but as they say any publicity... .
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Old 28th May 2021, 21:45
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Blue Air back today with Bucharest in addition to their LHR x2 daily service.
FlyOne service started as well.

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Old 29th May 2021, 04:30
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Buried in an agenda pack to be discussed on the 8th June. Might explain why LLAL has yet to publish its accounts.

“Focus would be on the appropriateness of disclosures and judgements on material risks and uncertainties with the plans for stabilising LLAL, and the impact this had on the Council’s borrowing requirement, budget and medium term planning. In addition, EY [the accountants Ernest Young] had been questioning whether the Council and LLAL should be continuing to capitalise the costs associated with Airport expansion schemes (DCO and CPAR) on the grounds that the conditions pre and post Covid-19 created more uncertainty on the transfer of economic benefits”.
CPAR is the abbreviation for the access road to Terminal 2. Interesting they mention pre Covid issues so Covid can’t be blamed for all of the problems.

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Old 30th May 2021, 05:49
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Those of a nervous disposition should not read the EY external audit position statement, which starts on page 15, as it makes for grim reading.

The Council have commissioned an independent specialist review into options and alternatives to the Council’s ownership of Luton Airport.
To inform the review of ownership options, we understand the Council has requested up-to-date information on the current market valuation of the Airport. This is vital to enable decision makers to make an informed choice
This is what happens when amateur councillor airport directors acting for a greedy Council don’t know what they are doing and nod once too often without asking questions, as they were told the Council can do a better job than the professionals. LLAOL was meant to pay for investments not the airport owner, now the Council is facing another £156m airport bill on a good day and over £200m on a bad day.

If that is not bad enough EY is questioning whether LLAL will be able to afford to pay the Council £22m in annual interest payments and that work on the DCO now exceeds £50m, which is now having to be rewritten.

https://democracy.luton.gov.uk/cmis5...ctNJFf55vVA%3d

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Old 30th May 2021, 10:25
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When is a cost an asset in disguise ?
'continuing to capitalise the costs associated with Airport expansion schemes (DCO and CPAR)'
Or not. Thought about a pun on runway ( as in run away) but can't stand the reputational damage.
Capitalising expenses is a tried and trusted method for distorting the balance sheet. Strip those out to get a better view on shareholders equity.
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Old 30th May 2021, 18:02
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Gaziantep is also a stopping off point if you want to fly to Northern Cyprus, where surprisingly quite a number of Brits have properties.
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Blue Air's Max visit yesterday evening, was this the first ever Max at Luton, don't remember any TUI ones visiting for Mods?
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Yes it was first Max to visit. None of the TUI machines have yet graced the LTN tarmac.......
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82 pages of stats for 2020 are now out. https://www.london-luton.co.uk/Londo...b56786845a.pdf
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Quote " Harpenden recorded the highest number of complaints with 1,878 complaints in 2020; of the 1,878 complaints 1,578 (84%) were recorded from one person."

Blimey, someone needs to get a new hobby, thats on average four complaints a day every day!
Im in one of the areas that supposedly has a higher rate of complaints, either i just zone out the noise or these people are complaining about noise that simply is not there.
To pinch someone else's phrase "not in my name"

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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 11:47
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No doubt someone linked to LADCAN who needs a lesson on Web Site design and hides behind being anonymous. Bring back Court Line with their Tristars & 1-11s!
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LADCAN may be inconvenient to those who work at the airport... but living in a liberal democracy, they and local residents have a right to protest. If you look in the paperwork for the lease, tenancy or freehold of your home, you will almost certainly see a clause about the "quiet enjoyment of your home". Without noise protestors around the world over many years, the improvements in noise reduction over the last 50 years would not have happened.

Engineers at the main aircraft and engine manufacturers can achieve more around noise reduction, but money for R&D will exist only if manufacturers see this as enhancing profitability. There just needs to be legislative pressure from Govt bodies (eg noise quota schemes) to ensure airlines put commercial pressure on manufacturers to achieve this

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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 14:55
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LADACAN might be an inconvenience to the airport operator, but as a lowly employee it does not inconvenience me.
I will defend to the death my right to complain about anything and everything i or anyone wants to complain about, just as long as my complaint has good foundations.
I have been sitting out in the garden all afternoon, two aircraft (in nearly 5 hrs) flew over my head, possibly on a go-around as they were not very high, not particularly noisy,
not what i would consider an annoyance, but maybe im more tolerant than others.
Had to edit this post because never heard of LADACAN, such is their impact on me, and spelt it incorrectly

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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 17:52
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Having lived near Stevenage in the 70's, the multitude of decibel emitters such as Spey's and JT-8's were possibly something to complain about if you were that way inclined (not me!) As for now....some folks will never be happy!
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 18:58
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Yes that’s right Compton , also a rather quick mention and somewhat less palatable it’s rather close to the Syrian border region
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 19:38
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Lived in Harpenden in 70s, where are those original HS125s, Gulf 2s and 1-11s now?
Back then the place was still called a Village but clearly a town. Now it is prime commuter belt thanks to trains & roads to London and of course a well connected airport for those young people to dash for the sun & european cities every other weekend. Personally found the heaves out of LHR to be more of a nuisance!
but of course I did not live in Hatching Green.
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 19:44
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From Luton Council’s website
https://m.luton.gov.uk/Page/Show/Env...eighbours.aspx

When is a noise a legal nuisance?
For a noise to be a legal nuisance it must be unreasonable and interfere with the use and enjoyment of your home. Several factors determine whether a noise is nuisance including:
  • the time of day the noise occurs
  • how loud it is
  • how long it lasts
  • how often it occurs
  • your location
Yes the council will take action unless the noise involves aircraft flying in and out of its own airport then they will do nothing and won’t investigate.. Double standards? In fact they are promoting more noise.

Might explain why some people put in repeat complaints because they are ignored. In fact the Council wants to nearly double the amount of noise events.

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