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OK I see that Jet2 maybe be wholly a package holiday outfit, but surely they can sort out some flights. They really need to get going and get planes and people in the air. Crew need to be working and while there is demand they should strike while the iron is hot. Anyone can plainly see that with the UK level of inoculations that air travel to Europe is well on its way back. A little bit of testing isnt going to prevent travel for many.
Airport Planner1, with a handle like that I would have expected better comment other than, it could all be off in a week. What sort of idea is that. The world can end today, but you must plan and execute for it to be here.
I recognise that the mobilisation and structure of a aviation company would be difficult but that's what is needed to stay afloat in a competitive world. You don't get RyanAir, EasyJet hanging about when people want to fly.
I have and hope to use Jet2 so many times and has great prices and service from them want them back in the air and giving us what we need to get to places we want to go.
Surely the people at the top if they don't get their finger out should be out. Common Jet2 let's be having you.
Airport Planner1, with a handle like that I would have expected better comment other than, it could all be off in a week. What sort of idea is that. The world can end today, but you must plan and execute for it to be here.
I recognise that the mobilisation and structure of a aviation company would be difficult but that's what is needed to stay afloat in a competitive world. You don't get RyanAir, EasyJet hanging about when people want to fly.
I have and hope to use Jet2 so many times and has great prices and service from them want them back in the air and giving us what we need to get to places we want to go.
Surely the people at the top if they don't get their finger out should be out. Common Jet2 let's be having you.
It seems to me that Jet2 are being very risk adverse, maybe too much, but only time will tell.
Interestingly, Mrs P's Sister has expressed interest in traveling to Portugal in the near future, she has accss to a villa in Quateria, I just had a look for her, she lives in the North, so I checked MAN-FAO. At the moment Ryanair, Easyjet have at least one flight every day, of course seats are getting in short supply so prices reflect this, but in late June the prices are much better, for example right now, Ryanair have 2 flights on 24th June, Easyjet and Jet2 have one, what surprised me was the difference in price, for a seat only. Jet2 currently £375, Ryanair £60 and £130, Easyjet £179, even with hold luggage bags, seats and priority Jet2 are at least £250 more than Ryanair, even for return flights. I know Jet2 are a holiday company these days but even TUI are cheaper.
So I checked the cheapest Package holidays 7 nights, Jet2 just pip TUI by around £40, although it is not the same hotel, while Easyjet are £20 more.
It does not mean anything, but looking at flights in the next few weeks, it appears to me Jet2 could are missing a beat here, they could be running flights only to help people travel, it would not take that much to return to service, no need for reps and of course it would help put some much needed money in the coffers.
Interestingly, Mrs P's Sister has expressed interest in traveling to Portugal in the near future, she has accss to a villa in Quateria, I just had a look for her, she lives in the North, so I checked MAN-FAO. At the moment Ryanair, Easyjet have at least one flight every day, of course seats are getting in short supply so prices reflect this, but in late June the prices are much better, for example right now, Ryanair have 2 flights on 24th June, Easyjet and Jet2 have one, what surprised me was the difference in price, for a seat only. Jet2 currently £375, Ryanair £60 and £130, Easyjet £179, even with hold luggage bags, seats and priority Jet2 are at least £250 more than Ryanair, even for return flights. I know Jet2 are a holiday company these days but even TUI are cheaper.
So I checked the cheapest Package holidays 7 nights, Jet2 just pip TUI by around £40, although it is not the same hotel, while Easyjet are £20 more.
It does not mean anything, but looking at flights in the next few weeks, it appears to me Jet2 could are missing a beat here, they could be running flights only to help people travel, it would not take that much to return to service, no need for reps and of course it would help put some much needed money in the coffers.
Brian, I have never used Jet2 as a holiday package as I always book particular hotels direct and have done for many years. I always looked upon J2 as a flight provider except on one occasion when it was cheaper booking a self catering hotel package which saved me over £250 as against flights only, was an anomaly.
The point I just wanted to make was they should just put on flights, soonest possible. The amount advantages for them must make it well worth their while, for what effort they would need to get ramped up.
It would be easy peasy in the grand scheme of aviation. Comon J2, it's easy peasy, it's cheesy peas. Get going so I can get sone flights booked with you this summer. Please, I need a break. You can see how bad things are, I'm even posting on this forum.
Seriously will the guys at the cutting edge get moving, we want planes in the air. We want healthy competition and jobs for all that are in our business.
The point I just wanted to make was they should just put on flights, soonest possible. The amount advantages for them must make it well worth their while, for what effort they would need to get ramped up.
It would be easy peasy in the grand scheme of aviation. Comon J2, it's easy peasy, it's cheesy peas. Get going so I can get sone flights booked with you this summer. Please, I need a break. You can see how bad things are, I'm even posting on this forum.
Seriously will the guys at the cutting edge get moving, we want planes in the air. We want healthy competition and jobs for all that are in our business.
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'slush fund' brings a particular airline into mind, thanks for the response, chances of getting onto the apprenticeship is next to non against people wile first time passes and 90%+ averages, though it does give you the motivation to work towards.
Any idea if they'll eventually bring the non type rated roles back after all this has blown over ?
'slush fund' brings a particular airline into mind, thanks for the response, chances of getting onto the apprenticeship is next to non against people wile first time passes and 90%+ averages, though it does give you the motivation to work towards.
Any idea if they'll eventually bring the non type rated roles back after all this has blown over ?
“Once this has all blown over” in 3 years, 5 years, whenever. Once the supply of type rated and experienced applicants runs out, and when they can no longer get enough applicants with first time passes to meet the requirements of the apprentice scheme, and when and if training capacity allows or requires, then maybe they will recruit NTR f/o… but probably not for a while. And even then they will probably look at applicants with experience on smaller jets or turboprops, probably no shortage of those for a while, either.
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It may well be that the senior management of J2, who will have had discussions at very high levels of Government, will have thought long and hard about the pros and cons. It could well be that they have so little trust in No10 and its opportunistic/Charlatan advisors that they have decided to take the cautious approach and so would I. You only have to look at the shambolic, yes you can/no you can`t, approach of yesterday that is making todays headlines. Would you honestly trust them??..
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I think there will be a period of a couple of years where we have an over-supply of 737 and 321 rated crews with experience. Possibly experienced Captains prepared to do two years in the right seat also just to have a job.
It’s not all doom and gloom though. Just keep plugging away, show you’re interested and try to get your foot on the ladder with someone like Loganair or Eastern. Do three years or so with them and keep up the good work on developing yourself into a good pilot and a good manager. One of the things that shines for me during interviews is a FO who talks a flight/scenario like a Captain. ATPL Exam grades are just numbers on paper and don’t really reflect how that individual will operate a plane.
Good luck anyway and hang in there for a few years. The important thing is getting on that first rung of the ladder, whatever the job. Jet2 will always be there recruiting when you’re ready.
I think there will be a period of a couple of years where we have an over-supply of 737 and 321 rated crews with experience. Possibly experienced Captains prepared to do two years in the right seat also just to have a job.
It’s not all doom and gloom though. Just keep plugging away, show you’re interested and try to get your foot on the ladder with someone like Loganair or Eastern. Do three years or so with them and keep up the good work on developing yourself into a good pilot and a good manager. One of the things that shines for me during interviews is a FO who talks a flight/scenario like a Captain. ATPL Exam grades are just numbers on paper and don’t really reflect how that individual will operate a plane.
Good luck anyway and hang in there for a few years. The important thing is getting on that first rung of the ladder, whatever the job. Jet2 will always be there recruiting when you’re ready.
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Yes, I think the current ‘scramble for seats’ is a bit of a smoke screen. Until a sensible and reliable system is in place with a common-sense approach to travel from safe countries, people will hold off. Too much uncertainty over cost for testing and quarantine changes.
Of course things may look better by June, but with this ridiculous government fumbling I’m not feeling positive about it. Maybe that’s just me though - I’m mentally exhausted by all the ups and downs and broken promises.
Yes, I think the current ‘scramble for seats’ is a bit of a smoke screen. Until a sensible and reliable system is in place with a common-sense approach to travel from safe countries, people will hold off. Too much uncertainty over cost for testing and quarantine changes.
Of course things may look better by June, but with this ridiculous government fumbling I’m not feeling positive about it. Maybe that’s just me though - I’m mentally exhausted by all the ups and downs and broken promises.
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If the management team at Jet2 thought there was money to be made operating at the moment flights would be flying I'm sure. Their track record is pretty good.
It's going to be interesting what people think of their resort experience when people get there, deal with any changes in government policy and have to come back through any potential lengthy border at the UK port.
If easyJet, Ryanair and Tui are all operating, it sounds like the market is already well served.
It's going to be interesting what people think of their resort experience when people get there, deal with any changes in government policy and have to come back through any potential lengthy border at the UK port.
If easyJet, Ryanair and Tui are all operating, it sounds like the market is already well served.
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Negative, Ryanair had 13 people on one flight between Faro and the U.K., on the day after overseas travel was made legal. There wouldn’t have been many people coming home after one day, nor many residents in the Algarve wanting to go to the U.K. (and any that did had plenty of flights to be spread out on).
Negative, Ryanair had 13 people on one flight between Faro and the U.K., on the day after overseas travel was made legal. There wouldn’t have been many people coming home after one day, nor many residents in the Algarve wanting to go to the U.K. (and any that did had plenty of flights to be spread out on).
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Plus British Airways doing 4-5 daily FAO from LHR, plus LCY and additional flights from EDI, MAN and NCL at weekends. In addition to LIS and FNC.
The market is indeed very well served, but the question remains why Jet2 are ignoring the obvious demand. All the above companies have bled money for the last 12+ months, none of them is going to add extra flying that is loss making. Every extra flight added must be cash positive to the business, or they wouldn’t add it. And you also have to consider ancillary revenue from packages, hotels, car hire, onboard sales etc.
Jet2 have made an odd decision, their capacity out of the market has just pushed up prices, and pushed revenue and customers towards their competitors. It’s just very unusual for a PLC that’s been starved of income to reject the opportunity to get their business off the ground. Particularly when it’s become apparent that this early restart has been by more affluent people, with industry reports of disproportionately high levels of bookings including 5* hotels.
My parents had a Jet2 holiday in June cancelled, they promptly received a refund. No drama. But they’ve booked a TUI holiday on the same dates, 5* in Portugal, I’m sure that isn’t an uncommon position. Some people are cautious, others are desperate to get away, as long as they feel safe, secure and that their money is protected.
Jet2 have a good reputation, but doing the complete opposite to the rest of the industry looks questionable. Since all the companies named above (BA, easyJet, TUI and Ryanair) have been historically strongly profitable, I think it’s naive to believe Jet2 have a monopoly on good financial and revenue management. There are uncertainties in the market, and they will remain for some time. So either you go out and chase the business opportunities, or you hide under a rock.
Plus British Airways doing 4-5 daily FAO from LHR, plus LCY and additional flights from EDI, MAN and NCL at weekends. In addition to LIS and FNC.
The market is indeed very well served, but the question remains why Jet2 are ignoring the obvious demand. All the above companies have bled money for the last 12+ months, none of them is going to add extra flying that is loss making. Every extra flight added must be cash positive to the business, or they wouldn’t add it. And you also have to consider ancillary revenue from packages, hotels, car hire, onboard sales etc.
Jet2 have made an odd decision, their capacity out of the market has just pushed up prices, and pushed revenue and customers towards their competitors. It’s just very unusual for a PLC that’s been starved of income to reject the opportunity to get their business off the ground. Particularly when it’s become apparent that this early restart has been by more affluent people, with industry reports of disproportionately high levels of bookings including 5* hotels.
My parents had a Jet2 holiday in June cancelled, they promptly received a refund. No drama. But they’ve booked a TUI holiday on the same dates, 5* in Portugal, I’m sure that isn’t an uncommon position. Some people are cautious, others are desperate to get away, as long as they feel safe, secure and that their money is protected.
Jet2 have a good reputation, but doing the complete opposite to the rest of the industry looks questionable. Since all the companies named above (BA, easyJet, TUI and Ryanair) have been historically strongly profitable, I think it’s naive to believe Jet2 have a monopoly on good financial and revenue management. There are uncertainties in the market, and they will remain for some time. So either you go out and chase the business opportunities, or you hide under a rock.
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Downwind left- Jet2 have done completely the opposite to the industry over the last decade yet it it has proven successful. It has delivered well for shareholders. Customers have rated their product strongly.
They have access to bookings, yields and customer feedback live and meet government regularly. Relatively speaking they are not desperate for cash. And they may not be able to deliver the customer experience they'd like. I think these are perhaps some of the reasons they are not operating.
I hope your relatives enjoy their holiday.
They have access to bookings, yields and customer feedback live and meet government regularly. Relatively speaking they are not desperate for cash. And they may not be able to deliver the customer experience they'd like. I think these are perhaps some of the reasons they are not operating.
I hope your relatives enjoy their holiday.
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yes but how many of those were being sold for £9.99 as this was the case right up
until yesterday. There isn’t much money to be made on a small flight only program - especially if the whole operation is your own staff. (Ground staff too) that’s a lot of staff to bring back from furlough. Things are moving in the background - staff are being retrained as we speak. There are lots of charter flights coming up next week from MAN and LGW - it’s about knowing where you can make money and when you can’t. Something Jet2 have always been really good at.
yes but how many of those were being sold for £9.99 as this was the case right up
until yesterday. There isn’t much money to be made on a small flight only program - especially if the whole operation is your own staff. (Ground staff too) that’s a lot of staff to bring back from furlough. Things are moving in the background - staff are being retrained as we speak. There are lots of charter flights coming up next week from MAN and LGW - it’s about knowing where you can make money and when you can’t. Something Jet2 have always been really good at.
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How have Jet2 done the opposite to the industry for the last 10 years? They’ve expanded, going after the commercial opportunities, and done very well. No doubt contributing to the end of weaker players in the market. They currently have no customers travelling with them, because they chose to let them travel with competitors.
Jet2 don’t have a crystal ball, all airlines, tour operators, hotel chains have access to bookings, yields and customer feedback live and meet government regularly. As to not being desperate for cash. I’d call out any business in the leisure, hospitality, tourism or airline sectors that said it wasn’t at the moment. By all means, believe whatever you want. But I don’t believe the Jet2 “Midas touch”, the rest of the UK industry has it wrong argument. Sorry.
How have Jet2 done the opposite to the industry for the last 10 years? They’ve expanded, going after the commercial opportunities, and done very well. No doubt contributing to the end of weaker players in the market. They currently have no customers travelling with them, because they chose to let them travel with competitors.
Jet2 don’t have a crystal ball, all airlines, tour operators, hotel chains have access to bookings, yields and customer feedback live and meet government regularly. As to not being desperate for cash. I’d call out any business in the leisure, hospitality, tourism or airline sectors that said it wasn’t at the moment. By all means, believe whatever you want. But I don’t believe the Jet2 “Midas touch”, the rest of the UK industry has it wrong argument. Sorry.
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I don't think Jet2 have a Midas touch either. I just think they have a good management team.
Not getting distracted with long haul, not having an estate of retail outlets, investing in the customer experience at airports and resorts are some of the reasons why I think they have gone against the industry in the last past.
Not getting distracted with long haul, not having an estate of retail outlets, investing in the customer experience at airports and resorts are some of the reasons why I think they have gone against the industry in the last past.
I could not agree more, Jet2 have wonderful customer service, (as Palmair and Freddie Laker's Florida operation did), but they will have to dip their toe in the water at some point. They have to accept that there will be flights that wont produce the yield they want, if at all.
We have to remember that the public are not always brand loyal, if you are not operating people will soon forget you.
Customer service is only one of the reasons people will book, some of the public wont have traveled in nearly 2 years, while I have no doubt they will look at Jet2, they wont remember the check in, or flight experience.
It should help that people are being encouraged to book package holidays, but again there needs to be capacity and the price needs to be competitive.
The Jet2 adverts I see on the TV are for Summer 2022 and while I understand it is very important to look to the future, there seems to be no urgency to this year.
I am sure they have a plan, lets just hope it all works out for everyone
We have to remember that the public are not always brand loyal, if you are not operating people will soon forget you.
Customer service is only one of the reasons people will book, some of the public wont have traveled in nearly 2 years, while I have no doubt they will look at Jet2, they wont remember the check in, or flight experience.
It should help that people are being encouraged to book package holidays, but again there needs to be capacity and the price needs to be competitive.
The Jet2 adverts I see on the TV are for Summer 2022 and while I understand it is very important to look to the future, there seems to be no urgency to this year.
I am sure they have a plan, lets just hope it all works out for everyone