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Is avoiding French & Spanish ATC fees really worth the saving compared to an extra 30mins fuel.
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TOM/TUI have just announced losses of USD 3.8 billion. They've received 3 billion in help from the German taxpayer. I'm sure Jet2 would happily fly more expensive routings if you're happy to donate a chunk of your salary in taxes to help them do it?
TOM/TUI have just announced losses of USD 3.8 billion. They've received 3 billion in help from the German taxpayer. I'm sure Jet2 would happily fly more expensive routings if you're happy to donate a chunk of your salary in taxes to help them do it?
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The short answer is that yes, there is often a cost saving from a longer routing but avoiding overflying more expensive countries.
Airlines have software that will provide the true cost of a sector on various routings, taking account of fuel and aircraft costs, wind conditions and overflight charges. The flight planner often will have to balance the reduced cost against any impact to on time performance with longer flight times. The savings on the oceanic routing down to the Canaries can be huge.
But this also applies to the whole of Europe, flying to/from places like Greece, Cyprus and Turkey airlines will often fly slightly longer routings over cheaper countries to save overall cost.
This isn’t a new thing, the airline I worked for 15 years ago was doing it using software supplied by Jeppesen.
The short answer is that yes, there is often a cost saving from a longer routing but avoiding overflying more expensive countries.
Airlines have software that will provide the true cost of a sector on various routings, taking account of fuel and aircraft costs, wind conditions and overflight charges. The flight planner often will have to balance the reduced cost against any impact to on time performance with longer flight times. The savings on the oceanic routing down to the Canaries can be huge.
But this also applies to the whole of Europe, flying to/from places like Greece, Cyprus and Turkey airlines will often fly slightly longer routings over cheaper countries to save overall cost.
This isn’t a new thing, the airline I worked for 15 years ago was doing it using software supplied by Jeppesen.
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Jet2 have just cancelled all flights from its London Stansted base up until February 2021.
Includes routes to Antalya, Funchal, Tenerife, Las Palmas, Arrecife & Fuerteventura.
Includes routes to Antalya, Funchal, Tenerife, Las Palmas, Arrecife & Fuerteventura.
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How are airlines so sure that even if there were no covid-related problems, flights into 2021 from/to UK would go smoothly without a Brexit deal in sight, literally days before the end of the year? Or would there be another extension on talks EU-UK talks?
Although "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed", there are a huge number of measures in non-controversial areas that have been signed off that can be put into place at short notice.
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The EU is more than just Paris and Berlin. The UK tourist supply contributes massively to the economies of the Southern EU states. If Merkel and Macron pulled that trick they’d further fragment the Union at a time when the COVID crisis is stoking nationalist sentiments.
So it wouldn’t be good for either party. I think if a no-deal was really what either side wanted or were prepared for, it would have happened last week.
The EU is more than just Paris and Berlin. The UK tourist supply contributes massively to the economies of the Southern EU states. If Merkel and Macron pulled that trick they’d further fragment the Union at a time when the COVID crisis is stoking nationalist sentiments.
So it wouldn’t be good for either party. I think if a no-deal was really what either side wanted or were prepared for, it would have happened last week.
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The problem with the southern resort argument is we’ve heard it all before with German car manufacturers and Italian Prosecco and so far both are leaving it rather late to pipe up. So much so the German car manufacturers aren’t even back at work until post Jan 1st.
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JET2 SHOWS SUMMER 2021 CONFIDENCE WITH 135 MORE FLIGHTS TO GREECE Jet2 has added 135 extra flights to Greece next summer in response to “continued demand”.
The additions will be from Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds Bradford and Stansted airports. Extra services will operate to Corfu, Kefalonia, Crete (Heraklion), Kos, Santorini, Rhodes and Zante.
The biggest increase is from Birmingham, where there are 60 extra weekly services to Corfu, Kefalonia, Heraklion, Kos and Rhodes.
From Manchester there are another 50 weekly services to Corfu, Kefalonia, Santorini, Zante and Kos.
Leeds Bradford will boast 18 additional services to Kefalonia and Kos, while Stansted will see six additional services added to Zante in response to demand.
The capacity hike comes after Jet2 recently revealed Bristol as its 10th UK base.
“The launch of a new UK base for summer 21, followed by this Greek expansion, demonstrates the company’s confidence and underlines its long-term strategy to become the UK’s leading leisure travel business,” Jet2 said.
Steve Heapy, Jet2.com and Jet2holidays chief executive, added: “Customers are telling us that flights and holidays to Greece are very much in demand for summer 21.
“As ever, we have responded quickly to that demand by adding more seats and holidays on sale to seven fantastic Greek destinations, and we know that they will be extremely popular
The additions will be from Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds Bradford and Stansted airports. Extra services will operate to Corfu, Kefalonia, Crete (Heraklion), Kos, Santorini, Rhodes and Zante.
The biggest increase is from Birmingham, where there are 60 extra weekly services to Corfu, Kefalonia, Heraklion, Kos and Rhodes.
From Manchester there are another 50 weekly services to Corfu, Kefalonia, Santorini, Zante and Kos.
Leeds Bradford will boast 18 additional services to Kefalonia and Kos, while Stansted will see six additional services added to Zante in response to demand.
The capacity hike comes after Jet2 recently revealed Bristol as its 10th UK base.
“The launch of a new UK base for summer 21, followed by this Greek expansion, demonstrates the company’s confidence and underlines its long-term strategy to become the UK’s leading leisure travel business,” Jet2 said.
Steve Heapy, Jet2.com and Jet2holidays chief executive, added: “Customers are telling us that flights and holidays to Greece are very much in demand for summer 21.
“As ever, we have responded quickly to that demand by adding more seats and holidays on sale to seven fantastic Greek destinations, and we know that they will be extremely popular
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Jet2 have just announced its suspended its scheduled flights programme & cancelled all Jet2holidays bookings up until March 25th, 2021.
https://travelweekly.co.uk/articles/...on-to-march-25
https://travelweekly.co.uk/articles/...on-to-march-25
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I think if I had a holiday booked in March, I’d be taking that refund and giving it straight to a competitor. Did they not learn from the October half term Canaries debacle?
I think if I had a holiday booked in March, I’d be taking that refund and giving it straight to a competitor. Did they not learn from the October half term Canaries debacle?
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I am sure they know what is best for the company.
1, you can’t travel unless essential and when will that end ?
current figures are worse than March/April last year to Jet2 are looking forward and comparing and have decided that it is unlikely to get the go ahead before end of March and that’s what the government were hinting at yesterday.
2, all the flights and holidays will mostly be running at a loss so better to ground everything instead
3 I bet nobody is booking any flights or holidays to depart before March now until the ban is lifted.
I expect the other operators to follow
1, you can’t travel unless essential and when will that end ?
current figures are worse than March/April last year to Jet2 are looking forward and comparing and have decided that it is unlikely to get the go ahead before end of March and that’s what the government were hinting at yesterday.
2, all the flights and holidays will mostly be running at a loss so better to ground everything instead
3 I bet nobody is booking any flights or holidays to depart before March now until the ban is lifted.
I expect the other operators to follow
As HH6702 says - what would you do, if as chief commercial officer in an airline, you expected flights to go out with a 30% load factor and pax with tickets having paid bargain basement fares, AND you had a perfect excuse to cancel a swathe of loss-making scheduled flights without the CAA getting upset ? Would you really let the flight carry on or would you instead try to save the company's fast dwindling cash reserves in the hope of a better chance of the airline's long term survival ?
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Vokes, you could take your refund to whoever you like but I can tell you now none of us are going anywhere in March, and probably not April either for that matter.
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Knew I’d get a few nibbles from the Jet2 fan club.
So when we get to March 1st and very few people are dying because of
1. 8-10 weeks of lockdown depending on which part of the country you’re in
2. Those that are in the categories that have accounted for 90% of deaths have all been vaccinated 2-3 weeks previous
Is going abroad really going to be banned? And even if it is, and what I’ve said above happens, a growing number will be bending the rules to suit their own needs, and Jet2 will be losing these customers to other airlines, just like when they cancelled all Spanish holidays and the Canaries opened up for October half term. Compliance is only achieved if the public believe the rules are necessary. People are still boarding flights to Cancun and the Maldives, even now.
Im not sure other airlines will be following suit anytime soon. Cancelling all flights 10 weeks in advance is daft. End of story.
So when we get to March 1st and very few people are dying because of
1. 8-10 weeks of lockdown depending on which part of the country you’re in
2. Those that are in the categories that have accounted for 90% of deaths have all been vaccinated 2-3 weeks previous
Is going abroad really going to be banned? And even if it is, and what I’ve said above happens, a growing number will be bending the rules to suit their own needs, and Jet2 will be losing these customers to other airlines, just like when they cancelled all Spanish holidays and the Canaries opened up for October half term. Compliance is only achieved if the public believe the rules are necessary. People are still boarding flights to Cancun and the Maldives, even now.
Im not sure other airlines will be following suit anytime soon. Cancelling all flights 10 weeks in advance is daft. End of story.
I've just looked at Ryanair's schedules between London / Manchester to the Canary islands.
There are a few flights in the next few days - likely to ensure people can get back home and avoid EU261 penalties - prices look to be priced very cheaply - a four hour flight from Stansted to Lanzarote in 2 days time is being sold for £4 more than APD
After the coming weekend, there are a very small number of flights at half-term in mid-February. I should stress *very small number*.
Otherwise, Ryanair are not returning to the UK - Canary Islands market until the end of March, 10 weeks away
It looks as if Ryanair has very little confidence in what in normal years should be a high demand leisure route during the winter. Ryanair have cancelled almost all flights between the UK and Canary Islands for 10 weeks. I don't believe that Jet2 can magically make a route profitable when rivals see largely red ink
There are a few flights in the next few days - likely to ensure people can get back home and avoid EU261 penalties - prices look to be priced very cheaply - a four hour flight from Stansted to Lanzarote in 2 days time is being sold for £4 more than APD
After the coming weekend, there are a very small number of flights at half-term in mid-February. I should stress *very small number*.
Otherwise, Ryanair are not returning to the UK - Canary Islands market until the end of March, 10 weeks away
It looks as if Ryanair has very little confidence in what in normal years should be a high demand leisure route during the winter. Ryanair have cancelled almost all flights between the UK and Canary Islands for 10 weeks. I don't believe that Jet2 can magically make a route profitable when rivals see largely red ink