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Old 15th Feb 2023, 11:45
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I am not a regular flyer with them, and usually down to Majorca, my wife might do more, as often I come from work and Germany so use LH when going for a break. The thing which annoys is the fact that you get pushed to the very early or very late flights, which just feels a little unfair when you know they have so many flights to somewhere like Palma which is a regular hop in June for her and her friends, as we have a family house in Majorca which we get to use in June.

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Old 15th Feb 2023, 11:45
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My own problem now with Jet 2 is that it is no longer an airline, more a holiday company, but with an airline strapped on. The reverse of how it started. It is very hard to book a flight with descent flight times without taking up their hotel option.

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IMO it is very hard to book flight only with descent prices
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 13:48
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Love Jet2 but I have to concur.

Flight only pricing in the school holidays is now crazily expensive. For example, a round trip to Malaga for one person is costing 500-600. Those are not the prices of a lo-co, though I concede prices are higher everywhere. It is now significantly cheaper to fly with Ryanair (wish they opened their bookings earlier) or fly a scheduled carrier where that option exists.

I have a flight only booking later this year and have booked with TUI who were significantly cheaper than Jet 2.

They must be doing something right though and maybe focussing on the holiday brand is the way forward.
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 18:09
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Their Jet2holidays travel agent account managers have told us that many of the flights are now only bookable as a package and not available as seat only on Jet2.com
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 19:03
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Going to Tenerife on Saturday with Jet2 from BHX. The only way to get the decent flight time was to book the package. The alternative flight would get us back to BHX late at night which wouldn't be great with young children. If another airline had a Saturday flight we'd not have used Jet2
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 08:26
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This discussion is taking me back to the days of the early noughties when I worked as a travel agent for a big, independent agency in London. It was often cheaper to book a flight + hotel deal for clients on amany ong haul routes than flight only - if the customer didn't want the hotel, well who were we to say they had to stay there?! We handled very few, if any short haul bookings so I'm not sure if it was the same for short haul

In terms of my local airport (BHX) flight only prices on some routes this summer are beyond eye watering. I have used Jet2 a lot in the past for flight only and I've always been impressed with their service. I hope that if they are in fact going to focus on package bookings at the expense of seat only, that FR and EZY up the ante at BHX on Med / holiday routes to give us DIY holidaymakers more seat only choice without having to head off to other airports to get a decent deal.

I do agree with a previous poster, if you have the luxury of being able to book within a couple of weeks then you can sometimes get flight only bargains on TUI and LS as they become aware that package bookings have drifted off I got a return flight BHX-FNC last May for around 90 return booking 3 weeks before when previously it had been over 200. Neither flight was completely full.
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 09:24
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AIR in thinking that only from LBA do they have a large flight-only market as FR have a limited presence?
FR and EZY tend to stick closely to S and W schedules eg neither commence flights to Palma from EDI until March 26, while jet2 start at the end of February so if you want a spring break...

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Old 16th Feb 2023, 14:07
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I fly a number of times a year from LBA with Jet2 and never have any problems getting flight only tickets at a reasonable price.
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 14:15
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Originally Posted by flybar
I fly a number of times a year from LBA with Jet2 and never have any problems getting flight only tickets at a reasonable price.
School holidays, Half-term, July/August and Easter/Xmas at child-friendly times to child-friendly places might be a different story in the future as Jet2 is more able to make use of its dominant market position
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 19:43
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
School holidays, Half-term, July/August and Easter/Xmas at child-friendly times to child-friendly places might be a different story in the future as Jet2 is more able to make use of its dominant market position
Searching today for the flight for my Oct/Nov canaries break doesn't look quite as many flights are restricted to package holidays only compared to last year.

I want to get the longest possible break while using the least number of days of leave from work which means flying out Thursday or Friday and returning on a Monday or Tuesday. Last year I ended up flying with EZY as I needed to book my private rental accommodation and the LS flights weren't available. EZY were OK (and considerably better than FR) but nowhere near LS when it comes to check-in or onboard experience.

This year I can see that there is only 1 day per week which is package holiday only so perhaps they have learned that they need to reduce the number of package holiday only flights to prevent travellers from defecting to the competitors. I'd always book LS first even if it costs a few quid more, it's just a better experience and you know that they will do their best to get you there and back.
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 21:31
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With regards to Jet2 and Cape Verde and FTLs etc.

I wonder if TUI manage to do there and backs on the 787 vs the 737s due to achievable bunk rest? If one crew has 3 hours bunk rest outbound and the other 3 hours inbound (for example) perhaps the duty becomes legal?
Which begs the question, do the A330s have bunks? Would Jet2 use A330s down to Cape Verde which is a hell of a commitment. Might we even see an order come in for a dozen or so A339s? I think Jet2 is definitely gaining the critical mass to justify such an order and getting into the long haul market by the end of the decade. Cancn, Orlando and winter cruise charters/New York Christmas shopping trips at least.

As an aside. A 400+ seat heavy lifter with low cost base (frame and operator) would be perfect for plugging the gap on LBA/MAN-ISB in my opinion. That does go against the holidays model but a reputable carrier with a decent service, low fares, people mover. Win win. Plus room to grow into GLA, BHX and STN. Keeps the aircraft busy year round.

Anyway, distracted. Another cost conscious option for Jet2 to serve Cape Verde could be split days of operation to minimise hotel nights for crews - based on an A321neo, 7 rooms for 7 nights down there isnt going to be cost effective.

Example:
MAN - Mon/Fri
BHX - Tue
STN - Wed/Sat
So the beginning of the week would look like this
Crew 1- MAN-BVC-BHX
Crew 2 - BHX-BVC-STN
Crew 3 - STN-BVC-MAN
1 night down route for MAN/BHX crews and 2 for STN

Looking forward to seeing the new Airbuses arrive and wonder whether Jet2 have anything else up their sleeves. A very exciting, dynamic and most of all, reliable operator. I wish them every continued success.
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 22:18
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Originally Posted by RA85684
With regards to Jet2 and Cape Verde and FTLs etc.

I wonder if TUI manage to do there and backs on the 787 vs the 737s due to achievable bunk rest? If one crew has 3 hours bunk rest outbound and the other 3 hours inbound (for example) perhaps the duty becomes legal?
Which begs the question, do the A330s have bunks? Would Jet2 use A330s down to Cape Verde which is a hell of a commitment. Might we even see an order come in for a dozen or so A339s? I think Jet2 is definitely gaining the critical mass to justify such an order and getting into the long haul market by the end of the decade. Cancn, Orlando and winter cruise charters/New York Christmas shopping trips at least.

As an aside. A 400+ seat heavy lifter with low cost base (frame and operator) would be perfect for plugging the gap on LBA/MAN-ISB in my opinion. That does go against the holidays model but a reputable carrier with a decent service, low fares, people mover. Win win. Plus room to grow into GLA, BHX and STN. Keeps the aircraft busy year round.

Anyway, distracted. Another cost conscious option for Jet2 to serve Cape Verde could be split days of operation to minimise hotel nights for crews - based on an A321neo, 7 rooms for 7 nights down there isnt going to be cost effective.

Example:
MAN - Mon/Fri
BHX - Tue
STN - Wed/Sat
So the beginning of the week would look like this
Crew 1- MAN-BVC-BHX
Crew 2 - BHX-BVC-STN
Crew 3 - STN-BVC-MAN
1 night down route for MAN/BHX crews and 2 for STN

Looking forward to seeing the new Airbuses arrive and wonder whether Jet2 have anything else up their sleeves. A very exciting, dynamic and most of all, reliable operator. I wish them every continued success.
Have you seriously suggested that Jet2 start flights to Islamabad?

Tui achieve both rotations on the 787 because it flies slightly faster than the 737/767. Nothing to do with having crew rest.
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 22:53
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We know there is a large, and growing market for UK-Pakistan and that market has been somewhat shafted with unreliable operations. Chopping and changing from the UK end - lets face it, because there is lower hanging fruit for BA and Virgin - and with PIAs ban.

Im under no illusion that Pakistan would be a friendly market for Jet2 to operate in, but it wouldnt be impossible.
IF Jet2 were to place an order for their own fleet of A330neos (or 787s or A350s, who knows - were thinking aloud here) then it would make sense to keep them active 12 months of the year.

The O&D market from Northern England to Pakistan would much prefer point to point, reliable flights.
Jet2 is a household name and could offer reasonably priced flights, and most likely fill an A339 x2 weekly out of LBA and x3 weekly out of MAN. Baggage charges alone would probably hit breakeven! Its a long shot, but 15 years ago whod have said theyd be flying 757s to New York? 10 years ago whod have seen Jet2 as the UKs biggest tour operator? Even 5 years ago whod have seen an order for 100 brand new Airbuses?
Never say never

Happy to be proven wrong but it sounds odd to me that TUI would rely on the slightly higher cruising speed of the 787 for operating there and back Cape Verdes as opposed to the availability of crew rest. Interesting practice. I suppose the crew rest is there as a fallback if the shit hits the fan
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Old 17th Feb 2023, 10:13
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Originally Posted by RA85684
We know there is a large, and growing market for UK-Pakistan and that market has been somewhat shafted with unreliable operations. Chopping and changing from the UK end - lets face it, because there is lower hanging fruit for BA and Virgin - and with PIAs ban. Im under no illusion that Pakistan would be a friendly market for Jet2 to operate in, but it wouldnt be impossible.IF Jet2 were to place an order for their own fleet of A330neos (or 787s or A350s, who knows - were thinking aloud here) then it would make sense to keep them active 12 months of the year. The O&D market from Northern England to Pakistan would much prefer point to point, reliable flights.Jet2 is a household name and could offer reasonably priced flights, and most likely fill an A339 x2 weekly out of LBA and x3 weekly out of MAN. Baggage charges alone would probably hit breakeven! Its a long shot, but 15 years ago whod have said theyd be flying 757s to New York? 10 years ago whod have seen Jet2 as the UKs biggest tour operator? Even 5 years ago whod have seen an order for 100 brand new Airbuses?Never say never Happy to be proven wrong but it sounds odd to me that TUI would rely on the slightly higher cruising speed of the 787 for operating there and back Cape Verdes as opposed to the availability of crew rest. Interesting practice. I suppose the crew rest is there as a fallback if the shit hits the fan
Firstly, my experience tells me that the vast majority of UK to India and Pakistan VFR traffic is more price-sensitive over paying more for point to point services. So Jet2 would be up against the MEB4 who have started to get more of a foothold in the market, with PIA's recent lack of UK operations.
Secondly, Jet2 might be approaching a "household name" for certain sectors in some regions of the UK for sun destination holidays, but is it with the India & Pakistan VFR market?
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Old 17th Feb 2023, 10:21
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Secondly, Jet2 might be approaching a "household name" for certain sectors in some regions of the UK for sun destination holidays, but is it with the India & Pakistan VFR market?
I agree. There might also be an issue of perception, and possibly confusion with Jet Airways, an Indian airline.
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At TUI, the SID flights this winter have been 3 pilots due to FTL issues in the past. On the LGW-SID flights, it is mandatory for the Pilots to achieve 2 hours rest and the CC 90 mins rest over the total duty(not each way)
Even at M0.85 cruise its a blooming long day
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Was speaking to one of the Jet2 Holidays Travel Trade account managers yesterday - seemed surprised when I mentioned Cape Verde and said she had heard nothing, and the trade team and product team are in the same area within the office, so she would have heard rumours.
Also worth noting that a large number of hotels on the islands are either owned by, partly owned by (RIU) or on exclusivity contracts to TUI so bed stock may be an issue
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Sharm El Sheikh again mabye (Hopefully!) Limited to Tui from the Midlands.
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Old 18th Feb 2023, 07:50
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How come Jet2 don't fly to Egypt?
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Pulled out in Feb 2011 due to the political unrest. Such a pain they havnt gone back to SSH as can only use TUI from EMA and would much rather have the Jet2 product than the basic options on board with TUI.
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