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So as I understand it, Jersey entry restrictions have been difficult for people to comprehend, the demand hasn't been sufficient to support the number of seats and the overall number of seats to Jersey has out-run the accommodation capacity on the island.
If the numbers above are right, 5 x AT7 and 9 x ERJ flights in the month produces about 1,600 seats. There were 775 pax so flights overall were less than half full. Sounds like over capacity to me. MME isn't alone as the position at NCL with three airlines flying to JER and 1,961 pax looks even worse.
If the numbers above are right, 5 x AT7 and 9 x ERJ flights in the month produces about 1,600 seats. There were 775 pax so flights overall were less than half full. Sounds like over capacity to me. MME isn't alone as the position at NCL with three airlines flying to JER and 1,961 pax looks even worse.
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Long time lurker, first time poster. As you might gather from my username I used to live in Jersey and now live in the North East, so keep tabs on the route fairly closely.
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Maybe not as an airport, but look at the North East as a whole. There has been more capacity this year than in years gone by.
EZY, Jet2 and Loganair are operating NCL-JER (previously just EZY), and there is a heavy Jet2 presence on LBA-JER.
Many in Teesside will not be put off by an hour's drive to NCL or LBA and an £80 return fare to JER with EZY/Jet2, rather than a fare north of £300 return with LM from MME.
Cautious Optimist
Maybe not as an airport, but look at the North East as a whole. There has been more capacity this year than in years gone by.
EZY, Jet2 and Loganair are operating NCL-JER (previously just EZY), and there is a heavy Jet2 presence on LBA-JER.
Many in Teesside will not be put off by an hour's drive to NCL or LBA and an £80 return fare to JER with EZY/Jet2, rather than a fare north of £300 return with LM from MME.
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LM jumped on the Jersey to fly the aircraft. 50% load factors roughly. It's not ideal but having an aircraft sat on the ground doing nothing is a sure way to make a loss.
So who on here knows the yield on the route?
Secondly it's fairly obvious the LM are returning their aircraft to previously flown route pre Covid that they stopped.
Jersey was one of the few location that was accessible to an extent, next summer more European destinations will be open too.
I think alot on this thread need to realise that we are still in unusual times and as others have said you can't compare!
Most also conveniently forget that MME is not just about pax but so much more.
So who on here knows the yield on the route?
Secondly it's fairly obvious the LM are returning their aircraft to previously flown route pre Covid that they stopped.
Jersey was one of the few location that was accessible to an extent, next summer more European destinations will be open too.
I think alot on this thread need to realise that we are still in unusual times and as others have said you can't compare!
Most also conveniently forget that MME is not just about pax but so much more.
Have they not been resident for years anyway? I once heard it was a £2 million per year contract? Suppose that helped the previous owners hang on to KLM and Eastern et al..
So guess that would have remained what ever happened?
So guess that would have remained what ever happened?
The fire school must also contribute to the bank account.
The airport has slipped up on easy pickings such as GA and fuel, GA being quite ignored and fuel for even jets has been miss planned recently.
The airport has slipped up on easy pickings such as GA and fuel, GA being quite ignored and fuel for even jets has been miss planned recently.
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I dont think they have. I ve seen reports that the fuel targets have been smashed!
GA will have been affected by Covid like everything else!
But are movements not up on 2019? Can we not look at positives? Rather than the negative?
The airport is in a really good position to take advantage of the reset that Covid has been, investment has been made, which has been spent locally in the most part with, extra revenue streams added and more to come online.
GA will have been affected by Covid like everything else!
But are movements not up on 2019? Can we not look at positives? Rather than the negative?
The airport is in a really good position to take advantage of the reset that Covid has been, investment has been made, which has been spent locally in the most part with, extra revenue streams added and more to come online.
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Agree. How many airports are at 75% of their 2019 passenger numbers like the numbers say above? We’re in a good position for when things pick up.
Worry though for KLM; business travel may never return to prior levels and travel through an intermediate country isn’t ideal at the moment; add in the new Heathrow competition and I think they will struggle to reach 2019 levels anytime soon, if ever.
Worry though for KLM; business travel may never return to prior levels and travel through an intermediate country isn’t ideal at the moment; add in the new Heathrow competition and I think they will struggle to reach 2019 levels anytime soon, if ever.
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I agree with the KLM analysis and if you add possible Dublin inter lining too AMS may struggle to return to pre pandemic levels. Personally can't see the LHR continuing though once the big carriers regain their confidence and slots become a premium at LHR which may see the AMS benefit.
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There were recent long delays for fuel with aircraft having to wait or leave with what they had, the club aircraft have been hopping over to Fishburn to use the self service pump, hopefully this has been rectified. GA facilities are not good the little fella hasn't much clout.
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Something happened overnight as yesterday evening, a lot of October was also at high prices but my point was that last week you could pretty much book any day in September for under £80. With Eastern gone from 6 September, you can only get flights under £100 on 4 days in the month and on 8 days, the price is over £150.
No motive, I am a big supporter of the airport and want to see it do well. I have done 5 trips from it so far this year and I am also off to NQY on Friday. It was clear that whoever won the ABZ route war would put up prices, I just hope we are not going back to the days of 1,500 people a month on the route paying silly prices.
No motive, I am a big supporter of the airport and want to see it do well. I have done 5 trips from it so far this year and I am also off to NQY on Friday. It was clear that whoever won the ABZ route war would put up prices, I just hope we are not going back to the days of 1,500 people a month on the route paying silly prices.
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But if 1,500 a month paying high fares is serving the market appropriately, what's the problem?
I remember a discussion I had with an airport executive years back. Take Newcastle-Bristol, which is best:
- Multiple daily BA Dash 8's, morning/afternoon/evening
- The current EZY schedule, cheap seats on an A32x but crap schedule for business
I remember a discussion I had with an airport executive years back. Take Newcastle-Bristol, which is best:
- Multiple daily BA Dash 8's, morning/afternoon/evening
- The current EZY schedule, cheap seats on an A32x but crap schedule for business