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When they develop the South side (which I hope they do)I hope they have the Bomb Squad on standby, the Canadians were not keen on the paperwork to send munitions back to Canada as the Canadians paid for them, when war ended they just wanted to go home ASAP. Croft Airfield Dump was full of small arms munitions.
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No they aren't.
First of all if it's on the Southside it would be a good fit in that not everything has to be aviation related. If it brings jobs and investment that a good thing.
Secondly you would need change of use for what you suggest to happen.
This would be a long term lease with public purse paying into a public airport. For me as long as its not on the North side this is a win win situation for the airport, for the public purse and for the job situation in the whole Teesside/Lower Tees Valley area.
No they aren't.
First of all if it's on the Southside it would be a good fit in that not everything has to be aviation related. If it brings jobs and investment that a good thing.
Secondly you would need change of use for what you suggest to happen.
This would be a long term lease with public purse paying into a public airport. For me as long as its not on the North side this is a win win situation for the airport, for the public purse and for the job situation in the whole Teesside/Lower Tees Valley area.
Will bare to differ on the subject onion. Major did say if aviation doesn't work he will look elsewhere for the whole site. If anything does happen over there its going to be a few years coming, also I can see the treasury digging there heels in the South.
I personally would like to see the proposed large aircraft hangar and storage park, the proposed new parcels depot and aviation specific warehousing/industrial units.
I personally would like to see the proposed large aircraft hangar and storage park, the proposed new parcels depot and aviation specific warehousing/industrial units.
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Odd that the Mayor's offices are fine whereas Peel's housing was rubbished when they both serve the same purpose - improve the viability of the site as a whole through diversification.
Is it confirmed that any offices would be on the Southside? Can't believe that it is the best location on Teesside for a prestige office development - maybe somewhere with some existing infrastructure would be a better fit, Who will want to work in the middle of a damp field miles from anywhere?
From memory the percentage of aviation activity approved in the planning permission has been lowered a couple of times for the Southside development (but how long is exisiting planning permission valid for?)
Is it confirmed that any offices would be on the Southside? Can't believe that it is the best location on Teesside for a prestige office development - maybe somewhere with some existing infrastructure would be a better fit, Who will want to work in the middle of a damp field miles from anywhere?
From memory the percentage of aviation activity approved in the planning permission has been lowered a couple of times for the Southside development (but how long is exisiting planning permission valid for?)
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Yesterday G-SAJG - Loganair's newly named "Spirit of Teesside" - stopped off on the way form Glasgow to Norwich. The plane was at the airport for about 90 minutes during which the mayor apparently did a photo shoot.
Doubt they would be going to all this effort to promote already announced routes so maybe we will soon hear something about Loganair starting LHR? Heathrow website now showing the first flights on 8 March for LM551/552 & LM559/560 (but take that with a huge pinch of salt).
Doubt they would be going to all this effort to promote already announced routes so maybe we will soon hear something about Loganair starting LHR? Heathrow website now showing the first flights on 8 March for LM551/552 & LM559/560 (but take that with a huge pinch of salt).
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As previously mentioned jobs are jobs no matter what is built on the South side however I would hope that the plan to use it is based on the Air Freight proposal, there have been plenty of new Offices built on Teesside which have laid empty for years and the Developers have been trying to gain permission to convert them into Student accommodation.
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Alicante, Cardiff, Isle of Man, London City and Southampton remain exclusive to Eastern.
Regardless of whether the Treasury offices are good or bad (I'm happy enough so long as sufficient space remains for aviation development), note that Beafer is presenting them as a positive, when he would have been the first to go apesh-t if Peel had attempted the exact same.
Regardless of whether the Treasury offices are good or bad (I'm happy enough so long as sufficient space remains for aviation development), note that Beafer is presenting them as a positive, when he would have been the first to go apesh-t if Peel had attempted the exact same.
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I was in agreement with Peel developing the site on a commercial basis but against the Housing - especially on the North Side. I also highlighted on a number of occasions that the housing would never bring in the promised finances Peel claimed.
On the aviation front it is frustrating that they do have 2 operators on the routes. The worry being that the two battle it out and the the airport is left with nothing! The Mayor promises this wont happen, I suppose he is hoping that the competition with have the same impact the last time Logan and Eastern went head to head from the airport.
The airport cannot allow one and not the other, as far as I understand they have to allow the competition.
It could be that the airport have decided to encourage the Logan routes so they can stop the commerical deal with Eastern.
On the aviation front it is frustrating that they do have 2 operators on the routes. The worry being that the two battle it out and the the airport is left with nothing! The Mayor promises this wont happen, I suppose he is hoping that the competition with have the same impact the last time Logan and Eastern went head to head from the airport.
The airport cannot allow one and not the other, as far as I understand they have to allow the competition.
It could be that the airport have decided to encourage the Logan routes so they can stop the commerical deal with Eastern.
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Res ipsa loquitur. Cannot see Eastern rushing to get back on any of these routes or even maintain what they have been operating. Perhaps a cunning plan to reduce what the airport possibly has to shell out for each flight that Eastern operates. Encouraging competition on these routes will not work. The likely outcome is one operator or, as someone suggested, perhaps none once this has all played out.
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COVID caused passenger numbers to drop in the 10 days (approximately) leading up to the first lockdown and the suspension of services, to that end, the final day of "normal" operations was Sunday 8th March, give or take.
So if those above mentioned routes are indeed axed (I forgot Dublin, and excluding LCY as the Mayor is on record confirming it is only suspended), then they have been tried, judged and executed based on data from:
Alicante: Zero days
Cardiff: 20 days
Dublin: Zero days
Isle of Man: Zero days
Southampton: Zero days
Now regardless of what the reason or who made the decision etc, that is nothing short of unacceptable.
So if those above mentioned routes are indeed axed (I forgot Dublin, and excluding LCY as the Mayor is on record confirming it is only suspended), then they have been tried, judged and executed based on data from:
Alicante: Zero days
Cardiff: 20 days
Dublin: Zero days
Isle of Man: Zero days
Southampton: Zero days
Now regardless of what the reason or who made the decision etc, that is nothing short of unacceptable.
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These are marginal routes at the best of times perhaps with the exception of Alicante and I would not be surprised if none of them come back with Eastern. Eastern’s forte is not Alicante up against Ryanair.
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There is a strong rumour that Middleton St. George, aka Teeside Airport, is about to close. I trust this is just a rumour and not fact.
The UK has lost too many small aerodromes already; it would be a shame to see this one disappear.
The UK has lost too many small aerodromes already; it would be a shame to see this one disappear.
MissChief - maybe your comments would have more credibility if you could get the airports name right?
Eastern might have been counting on being able to operate a range of flights without competition rather than a selection of stand alone flights? Interesting that a number of posters refer to the commercial agreement with Eastern, although the Mayor said last week that they weren't paying for flights to come to the airport.
From general observation, neither airlines or airports tend to make much fuss about dropping routes. None of the routes quoted by Graham K are available for booking on the Eastern website.
Now regardless of what the reason or who made the decision etc, that is nothing short of unacceptable.
What's your source? The airline has at no point said so, nor has the airport?
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