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So has LM grandfathered the LHR slots used for the MME service by now?
To me, it always looked like a pretty smart business move for regional airlines such as Loganair or Aurigny to pick up some of the LHR-slots freed up by COVID19 and try to grandfather them by opening short'ish domestic routes with the help of unsuspecting local authorities willing to cough up subsidies - for a service the airline never intended to operate in the long tern, but only to be able to cash in on those slots as soon as demand at LHR picked up gain and carriers that had to give up slots at LHR were interested in resuming services and forking out money to get hold of slots again.
To me, it always looked like a pretty smart business move for regional airlines such as Loganair or Aurigny to pick up some of the LHR-slots freed up by COVID19 and try to grandfather them by opening short'ish domestic routes with the help of unsuspecting local authorities willing to cough up subsidies - for a service the airline never intended to operate in the long tern, but only to be able to cash in on those slots as soon as demand at LHR picked up gain and carriers that had to give up slots at LHR were interested in resuming services and forking out money to get hold of slots again.
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I heard the slots belonged to BA - 18 months ago (and with no long term slot waiver in place), BA were really concerned about losing a pile of their LHR slots so were happy to loan them out to non-competing airlines or those that they did not consider a threat.
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But how do you measure the potential of any route to anywhere from a small regional airport with limited passengers? I don’t just mean Teesside either?
Domestic travel is in a state of flux at the moment.
Ironic really the mayor has put all this money into the airport, then puts all that money into railways..simply not enough passengers to go around?
Domestic travel is in a state of flux at the moment.
Ironic really the mayor has put all this money into the airport, then puts all that money into railways..simply not enough passengers to go around?
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The slots were allocated to Loganair by the slot coordinator and not loaned from any other airline.
Arguments above don't really make sense. If the route isn't viable with smaller aircraft due to LHR charges then flying a larger aircraft such as an A319 would need a big increase in passenger volumes to support it. Is it being said that it wouldn't work with a 145 but would work with a 319? Find that pretty hard to believe tbh.
Arguments above don't really make sense. If the route isn't viable with smaller aircraft due to LHR charges then flying a larger aircraft such as an A319 would need a big increase in passenger volumes to support it. Is it being said that it wouldn't work with a 145 but would work with a 319? Find that pretty hard to believe tbh.
When Loganair opened the MME-LHR route, what was the primary aim ? Was it to
a) Target passengers travelling between Middlesbrough and London
or
b) Target passengers travelling from Middlesbrough to places beyond London, and thus particularly keen on access to a hub
I know it's tempting to say "both" but the commercial strategy needed is different between the 2 options, and thus there was a need for somebody to choose the primary aim and take consequent actions
a) Target passengers travelling between Middlesbrough and London
or
b) Target passengers travelling from Middlesbrough to places beyond London, and thus particularly keen on access to a hub
I know it's tempting to say "both" but the commercial strategy needed is different between the 2 options, and thus there was a need for somebody to choose the primary aim and take consequent actions
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The slots were allocated to Loganair by the slot coordinator and not loaned from any other airline.
Arguments above don't really make sense. If the route isn't viable with smaller aircraft due to LHR charges then flying a larger aircraft such as an A319 would need a big increase in passenger volumes to support it. Is it being said that it wouldn't work with a 145 but would work with a 319? Find that pretty hard to believe tbh.
Arguments above don't really make sense. If the route isn't viable with smaller aircraft due to LHR charges then flying a larger aircraft such as an A319 would need a big increase in passenger volumes to support it. Is it being said that it wouldn't work with a 145 but would work with a 319? Find that pretty hard to believe tbh.
You can either put a larger aircraft on the route and build the numbers past what 145 holds or you utilise those slots elsewhere.
I maybe wrong, but from what I ve heard LHR has a minimum charge for aircraft so for instance a 145 cost the same as a 319 to land. If that's true then a 145 moving forward would never work out.
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DTV movements showing some interesting traffic today.
The TUI inbound from PMI (which originates Birmingham) is positioning out rather than taking the outbound to PMI. Instead, a TUI Germany is coming in to take the outbound passengers before going into Birmingham.
Then a Royal Air Maroc 738 coming in for Willis scrapping.
The TUI inbound from PMI (which originates Birmingham) is positioning out rather than taking the outbound to PMI. Instead, a TUI Germany is coming in to take the outbound passengers before going into Birmingham.
Then a Royal Air Maroc 738 coming in for Willis scrapping.
They said: "The promise of General Aviation Hangars was made by the Airport in May 2021, and confirmed in writing, when H3 was required for other purposes . During the whole of the ensuing nine months frequent and categorical assurances were given by your Airport Staff and Managing Director that the scheme was in progress and only delays were due to only technical and planning issues."
But the group says that in January they were told that it would cost £1million to replace the building, so it would not be going ahead after all. The members even responded with an alternative building plan for around £300,000, but that options was not taken up by airport bosses.
But the group says that in January they were told that it would cost £1million to replace the building, so it would not be going ahead after all. The members even responded with an alternative building plan for around £300,000, but that options was not taken up by airport bosses.
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...port-40-years/
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At least there are signs that the new South link road is progressing. Fencing is in place along the route and yesterday it was noted plant machinery were at work on new roundabout and leveling.
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Last I'd heard was that this new £200m development required IFTC to relocate the area where they deliver the practical elements of their fire training courses and that they'd been in talks for quite some time with the airport, but IFTC said back in February that an agreement had not yet been reached and it even threatened potential job losses because the airport were not going to renew the lease on the current site.
Anyone know whether this has now been resolved and what the outcome is/was?
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What's happening with International Fire Training Centre (IFTC)...?
Last I'd heard was that this new £200m development required IFTC to relocate the area where they deliver the practical elements of their fire training courses and that they'd been in talks for quite some time with the airport, but IFTC said back in February that an agreement had not yet been reached and it even threatened potential job losses because the airport were not going to renew the lease on the current site.
Anyone know whether this has now been resolved and what the outcome is/was?
Last I'd heard was that this new £200m development required IFTC to relocate the area where they deliver the practical elements of their fire training courses and that they'd been in talks for quite some time with the airport, but IFTC said back in February that an agreement had not yet been reached and it even threatened potential job losses because the airport were not going to renew the lease on the current site.
Anyone know whether this has now been resolved and what the outcome is/was?
If the airport management try to move the training rig to the north side, the neighbours may have something to say about the smoke.
From Esken's annual report - 2022 Final results:
https://www.esken.com/investors/investor-news/
the Aviation Division as a whole reported an adjusted EBITDA loss of £0.8m after £3.5m of one-off receipts in connection with Connect Airways and Teesside International Airport..