Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Manchester-3

Old 6th May 2022, 13:22
  #1661 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: North, UK
Age: 67
Posts: 936
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Another reminder not just Manchester has issues with queues
https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/le...vdXL1Ui8ZXAIv8
pwalhx is offline  
Old 6th May 2022, 13:27
  #1662 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 3,021
Received 197 Likes on 108 Posts
Originally Posted by brian_dromey
In fairness the UK is not part of the EU - the UK is a third country in exactly the same way the USA, UAE, Mongolia or Argentina would be. The UK chose this path, to blame the Spanish for long queues which are a direct consequence of a decision made by the UK is probably a bit unfair?
Exactly, and since every UK passport now has to be checked and stamped delays at Spanish airports with large numbers of UK arrivals were always going to be a Brexit consequence and not a Spanish issue.
ATNotts is offline  
Old 6th May 2022, 13:57
  #1663 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,445
Received 68 Likes on 46 Posts
Originally Posted by ATNotts
Exactly, and since every UK passport now has to be checked and stamped delays at Spanish airports with large numbers of UK arrivals were always going to be a Brexit consequence and not a Spanish issue.
In the same way that queues at Manchester airport are a consequence of passenger decisions and not a management issue.

Or maybe businesses should adapt as things change?
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 7th May 2022, 08:11
  #1664 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Leeds, UK & Cork, Ireland
Posts: 1,079
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
In the same way that queues at Manchester airport are a consequence of passenger decisions and not a management issue.

Or maybe businesses should adapt as things change?
They could adapt. But what’s in it for them? Sure the U.K. foreign office can send a telex or whatever to the Spanish government objecting. But the U.K. has no levers to pull here. Spanish and EU citizens are being prioritised, seems fair enough as they can be processed more quickly.
The U.K. chooses to let EU passport holders use self-service machines. That’s their call.

Mind you - when the travelling party has split UK/EU passports the EU citizens get the booby prize of collecting the bags and dealing with children. Sunlit uplands indeed!
brian_dromey is offline  
Old 9th May 2022, 10:36
  #1665 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London
Posts: 719
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
And the "publicity" keeps going :-(

Passengers complain of ‘chaos' at Manchester and Birmingham airports today - 'Nightmare!' (msn.com)
SealinkBF is offline  
Old 9th May 2022, 16:30
  #1666 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: London UK
Posts: 7,630
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 14 Posts
Originally Posted by VickersVicount
Not sure why it would?
When does the Portuguese initiative to allow UK through EU channels start? That will be the only thing that would make a difference if Spain follows suit. AGP trending on twitter with huge non EU queues and EU lane empty! You couldn’t make it up.
It used to be the other way round, on landing at Faro huge planeload queue at EU counter, one officer, just us going to the non-EU counter, one officer. Envious eyes. But everyone still through before baggage presented..

Of course, if people want to make a "Brexit thing" about every little aspect, that's up to them ...
WHBM is offline  
Old 9th May 2022, 17:23
  #1667 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: North of Dorking
Posts: 80
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Anyone able to shed light on how early morning easyJet check ins are going of late please, at Manchester T1?
going to Gibraltar at the end of the month and not looking forward to it...thanks
Dorking is offline  
Old 10th May 2022, 07:36
  #1668 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Manchester
Posts: 51
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Dorking
Anyone able to shed light on how early morning easyJet check ins are going of late please, at Manchester T1?
going to Gibraltar at the end of the month and not looking forward to it...thanks
Completely hit and miss at the moment. You might breeze through in 25 mins or miss your flight like many people have done. End of May will be busy as well as there's bank holidays coming up, I also have a flight then and I'm dreading it. Advice would be to show up atleast 4 hours prior.
LFC22 is offline  
Old 10th May 2022, 10:34
  #1669 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: London
Posts: 831
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LFC22
Completely hit and miss at the moment. You might breeze through in 25 mins or miss your flight like many people have done. End of May will be busy as well as there's bank holidays coming up, I also have a flight then and I'm dreading it. Advice would be to show up atleast 4 hours prior.
Just a quick heads up NO Late May spring bank holiday this year- moved to 2nd June with the extra jubilee day on the 3rd
Rutan16 is online now  
Old 10th May 2022, 10:42
  #1670 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 60
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It is so hit & miss, 15 mins to 3 hours for security. Day/time doesn't seem to matter- totally random. My visits through T1 & T2 over the last 4 months have been grim, particularly T1. Not just the security queues but the whole experience is depressing. I'm due to fly on a rare Cathay direct to HKG on 20th May, but now decided to swing by colleagues down south & exit the UK via LHR, I'm lucky my ticket allows that. Definitely won't be using MAN for the foreseeable. Maybe they need to employ Jeremy Spake to come & sort out their mess?
HKGBOY is offline  
Old 10th May 2022, 11:00
  #1671 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Blighty
Posts: 5,675
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 17 Posts
Originally Posted by Rutan16
Just a quick heads up NO Late May spring bank holiday this year- moved to 2nd June with the extra jubilee day on the 3rd
There is no bank holiday in late May. BUT, fares from the UK to leisure destinations are particularly high on the weekend of 28/29 May, with two bank holidays a few days later. Half term begins on Friday 27 May. I would expect 27, 28 and 29 May for outbound flights from the UK to be particularly busy
davidjohnson6 is offline  
Old 10th May 2022, 12:31
  #1672 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: North of Dorking
Posts: 80
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks to you all for the information...I was expecting carnage..They really are hopeless there ..I've bitten the expensive bullet and switched the outbound to Liverpool and travelling to Malaga instead of Gibraltar and crossing into Spain will be a lot easier there as well...
Liverpool security is apparently normal and they are even offering Fast track, which at £4 a head seems wise, at times like these..
Might even have time for brekkie at Frankie and Benny's..
Either way feeling much more relaxed now..Thanks again to you all
Dorking is offline  
Old 10th May 2022, 14:32
  #1673 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: southern spain
Posts: 1,980
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Just a word of warning Dorking Malaga is very busy now and the non EU gates are very few with the Policia Nationale looking particularly hacked off and you will also need the Spanish health certificate. Crossing t/f Gib is OK but very strict - just doing there job. No fresh meat etc allowed from Gib into Spain. I suppose when one leaves a club there are not going to make life easy so nobody else decides to leave.Hope this helps.
compton3bravo is offline  
Old 10th May 2022, 14:33
  #1674 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: stockport
Posts: 485
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I would say forget the months of Feb to April can be dicounted out as most of the new staff are only just coming through the training
chaps1954 is offline  
Old 11th May 2022, 01:01
  #1675 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: SYD
Posts: 520
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Since the start of March, I have travelled through MAN as SLF sixteen times. Eight departures, eight arrivals. Six of the eight departures were first wave (T1, T2), two around midday or early afternoon (T3). On those departures, I experienced a maximum security queueing time of around twenty minutes, and on two occasions there was no discernable queue at all. On two of the eight inbound services, I did encounter delays at UK Border of approximately 30 minutes and 20 minutes respectively. The first of these (30 minutes - T1) was caused by the sequential arrival of several EasyJet and Ryanair flights within a short space of time. However, those two carriers no longer arrive at the same terminal, so the issue is at least partially resolved. The other wait of 20 minutes - also in T1 - was again down to the arrival of several flights in a short space of time. But on both of these occasions, the queue kept moving at a slow walking pace. On the other six occasions, I was pretty much straight through. I've seen alot worse elsewhere, including at destination on a couple of these trips.

Of course, we are all aware that there have been occasions when queues at MAN have built up to an unreasonable degree. But this is not the norm. It makes the media because it is exceptional ... and they certainly make sure to take full advantage of hyping up every occurrence, giving the impression that such delays are far more common than they are in reality. On another forum, I've noted people discussing the crowds in the terminal airside which are overwhelming the catering franchises. This is because passengers are heeding advice to arrive three hours before their flight, but are actually finding themselves through all check-in and security formalities inside thirty minutes. At least airside retailers and caterers are finally experiencing some joy. However, it is also important to keep in mind that this situation is not unique to Manchester. The 'three hours before' advice is pretty much generic at larger European airports, and no larger airport has been immune from instances of security queues backing up.

Forums like this always attract one or two characters who like to vent that [insert name of airport] is the worst in the world, worst they've ever used etc. Well then, they can't have used many if they speak of MAN in that way. I've travelled through 464 airports worldwide, and frankly - for most passengers - MAN would be quickly forgotten as a very average experience. It isn't in the top tier, but it is far removed from the really poor offerings as well.

If you're booked to fly out of MAN, don't fret or panic. Just allow a little extra time and chill. You'll be very unlucky to encounter the kind of queue which results in a missed flight unless YOU turn up at the last minute expecting to get away with cutting it fine. And remember this: some of those characters who trawl these threads spreading poison about the MAN passenger experience can be found in a cheerleading role on Liverpool Airport forums. Funny that. Maybe they post with an agenda which doesn't include the best interests of an unsuspecting reader on here?
OzzyOzBorn is offline  
Old 11th May 2022, 07:33
  #1676 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Outer London
Age: 43
Posts: 600
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by compton3bravo
I suppose when one leaves a club there are not going to make life easy so nobody else decides to leave.Hope this helps.
“When I left the golf club they no longer let me play golf or use their facilities. It’s not that they are treating me the same as all other non-members, they are making a particular example of me to show remaining members what would happen to them if they left as well”
AirportPlanner1 is offline  
Old 11th May 2022, 08:14
  #1677 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: North of Dorking
Posts: 80
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by compton3bravo
Just a word of warning Dorking Malaga is very busy now and the non EU gates are very few with the Policia Nationale looking particularly hacked off and you will also need the Spanish health certificate. Crossing t/f Gib is OK but very strict - just doing there job. No fresh meat etc allowed from Gib into Spain. I suppose when one leaves a club there are not going to make life easy so nobody else decides to leave.Hope this helps.
Thanks Compton I'm aware but at least we will be there and just take time as opposed to a load of hassle before you start the journey...
Spanish are if course entitled to do as they want but an odd attitude when British are a very large part of their tourist industry that they are trying to rebuild..The Portuguese have in fact gone the other way to get more tourists in...But then Politics and business are often mutually exclusive, the world over
Dorking is offline  
Old 11th May 2022, 09:25
  #1678 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: London
Age: 42
Posts: 1,541
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn
Forums like this always attract one or two characters who like to vent that [insert name of airport] is the worst in the world, worst they've ever used etc. Well then, they can't have used many if they speak of MAN in that way. I've travelled through 464 airports worldwide, and frankly - for most passengers - MAN would be quickly forgotten as a very average experience. It isn't in the top tier, but it is far removed from the really poor offerings as well.
And remember this: some of those characters who trawl these threads spreading poison about the MAN passenger experience can be found in a cheerleading role on Liverpool Airport forums. Funny that. Maybe they post with an agenda which doesn't include the best interests of an unsuspecting reader on here?
Depends if you rate MAN against 3rd world competition. Objectively, on a like for like comparison with it's European peers, MAN underperforms by quite some in terms of security getting people from A to B in a timely and efficient fashion for all the reasons discussed and pointed out. I too have flown through hundreds of airports across the many years and I genuinely loath the attitude of the security operation at MAN, it's particular and notable and frankly problematic from a customer experience standpoint. And that's not from a data point of one, there's a whole thread on flyertalk of people who have had the same experience at MAN and yet none for it's peers. It needs fixing, not tribally defending. I used to dread going through MAN as I knew the chances of a secondary search and a pointless wait were sky high, even when compared to comparable world airports in higher risk regions.
Skipness One Foxtrot is offline  
Old 11th May 2022, 12:39
  #1679 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Stockport
Age: 56
Posts: 352
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Dorking
Thanks Compton I'm aware but at least we will be there and just take time as opposed to a load of hassle before you start the journey...
Spanish are if course entitled to do as they want but an odd attitude when British are a very large part of their tourist industry that they are trying to rebuild..The Portuguese have in fact gone the other way to get more tourists in...But then Politics and business are often mutually exclusive, the world over
It isn't really an odd attitude by the Spanish Dorking as it was the UK deciding to pull out of the EU Customs Union as part of Brexit thus ending the free movement of goods across the GIB/Spain (EU) border that has caused the problem. That's why Northern Ireland is in the CU so it eliminates a hard border between it and the Republic (EU). It's because it's in the nature of the post-Brexit trade agreement negotiated by Boris Johnson that free movement of goods, services and people between the UK and EU ends. For better or worse that's the reality of what 'taking back control' as sold by Brexit's advocates in the referendum looks like.
DomyDom is offline  
Old 11th May 2022, 14:46
  #1680 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: SYD
Posts: 520
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I've travelled through 464 airports worldwide, and frankly - for most passengers - MAN would be quickly forgotten as a very average experience.
The above is a quote from my latest post ...

It needs fixing, not tribally defending.
Skip's interpretation!!!

Now come on, Skip. You've told us on many occasions that you're an aviation ANALYST. In what world does a professional aviation ANALYST interpret my comment above as "tribally defending" Manchester Airport? Anyway, thanks for giving me the biggest laugh of the week! I've actually been pretty busy lately, so aside from three or four one-liners, my last substantial post on here was No. 1517 in the thread (April 6th) in which I critiqued Charlie Cornish's record in the wake of the departure of Karen Smart. I would be immensely surprised if anyone at MAG interpreted my views there as a "tribal defence" of Manchester Airport either! But don't let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

But I must tackle you on the substance of what you wrote also. Because I am going to defend MAN on one point in particular: you delight in perpetuating the myth (as afew persistent offenders on aviation forums do) that security staff at this airport are hostile towards customers. Remember Skip: these are real people that you're writing about, and some of them read forums like this. In my experience - and as a traveller through MAN it is extensive - the security staff I encounter at this airport have been professional, friendly and helpful on almost every occasion. I don't doubt that there is the occasional bad apple amongst any large work force, but I've clearly been far luckier than you in consistently avoiding interaction with them. If you have a bad experience, report the individual concerned. But don't come on the forums promulgating the impression that security staff at MAN are by default a group of ogres. It is disingenuous and uncalled for.

As for your suggestion that I must be comparing MAN against "3rd world competition" in order to conclude that "MAN would be quickly forgotten as a very average experience" ... words fail! Your credibility as a professional analyst will be in jeopardy of you persist in pushing nonsense like that! I have used airports on every continent bar Antarctica, but I would describe vanishingly few of them as "3rd world" - not a term I like anyway. But I absolutely stand by my assessment that MAN is "very average" - hardly effusive praise by any measure. As for bringing up 'Flyertalk' in the same breath as condemning 'tribal' posting ... give me a break!

OzzyOzBorn is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.