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UK Airport survey - MAN last
Posted on another forum that EIUK MAN-JFK goes from A21N to A333 from 1st May as expected.
The LR showing its usefulness there, building a route and demand relatively cheaply until a bigger aircraft can take over and start reaping the benefits.
The LR showing its usefulness there, building a route and demand relatively cheaply until a bigger aircraft can take over and start reaping the benefits.
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The EI 203 MAN-DUB rotation is switching from A320 to 321 next year 5 x weekly also. The 321 is normally only used on Euro routes with lots of TATL connections and high J class demand, mostly LHR, CDG and FCO so far. Interesting that theyre putting fully lie flat J on such a short sector.
in worse news, Airbus have announced the XLR EIS has slipped by at least another quarter to Q2 2024. EI were originally hoping to start receiving theirs Q3/4 2023, now looking more like Q1/2 2025. That might have yet more bearing on the MAN-BOS proposal unfortunately. If demand remains strong, they may acquire more widebodies next year to free up LRs in DUB.
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"As with all these things it depends on what you ask. Exeter is a breeze to get through with short queues etc. shouldn't be hard when arrivals and departures are in single figures each day. No mention of range, frequency or price of flights."
WRONG - management are paid serious money , and the shareholders make serious money - all they have to do is provide a service. And they fail time after time
Other big airports manage it - why can't places like LHR and MAN?
WRONG - management are paid serious money , and the shareholders make serious money - all they have to do is provide a service. And they fail time after time
Other big airports manage it - why can't places like LHR and MAN?
"As with all these things it depends on what you ask. Exeter is a breeze to get through with short queues etc. shouldn't be hard when arrivals and departures are in single figures each day. No mention of range, frequency or price of flights."
WRONG - management are paid serious money , and the shareholders make serious money - all they have to do is provide a service. And they fail time after time
Other big airports manage it - why can't places like LHR and MAN?
WRONG - management are paid serious money , and the shareholders make serious money - all they have to do is provide a service. And they fail time after time
Other big airports manage it - why can't places like LHR and MAN?
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I can’t agree with you on that, SWBKCB.
In all cases, both effective scheduling and passenger satisfaction depend on having:
the right staff
in the right place
at the right time
Now you could argue that larger airports have a greater challenge in having the right staff due to scale, but that’s probably more of a function of terms and conditions. It’s interesting to note that Aldi has just awarded its staff the third pay increase this year. That tells you that the company wishes to retain its best staff, which it has spent time and effort training. Aldi also operates in a highly competitive, price sensitive sector. Perhaps airports should follow their example…..
In all cases, both effective scheduling and passenger satisfaction depend on having:
the right staff
in the right place
at the right time
Now you could argue that larger airports have a greater challenge in having the right staff due to scale, but that’s probably more of a function of terms and conditions. It’s interesting to note that Aldi has just awarded its staff the third pay increase this year. That tells you that the company wishes to retain its best staff, which it has spent time and effort training. Aldi also operates in a highly competitive, price sensitive sector. Perhaps airports should follow their example…..
Now you could argue that larger airports have a greater challenge in having the right staff due to scale, but that’s probably more of a function of terms and conditions
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No, the principles remain the same, resource the demand. For larger organisations you may require additional management/supervision but having been taught by American consultants who used the same principles on a car factory, I can assure you that it works.
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Further away Canada Toronto had queues out the doors.
Of the major EU economies only France got it right imho largely due to their strong labour laws preventing the mass layoffs and the several times I have past through Nantes it’s been a pleasure.
Liverpool was lucky (relatively small workforce in any case) and Exeter has just ONE Tui aircraft based !
Leeds had problems with departures on Jet2 first wave in particular ( couldn’t process baggage )
For the first three months of summer 2022 and as a result of rapid uptake and redemptions at rates completely unexpected, mass layoffs post furlough ( Also the reason for Amsterdams meltdown) the industry was in an almost death spiral.
Add the then recruitment , home office issues with processing CRB and especially enhanced checks ( upto 12 weeks at times) for ALL needing to go airside, onsite training and inductions resulted in the meltdown
A multifaceted and systemic failure occurred .
And simple US management speak could not have resolved this any quicker.
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But Manchester was considered the worst by the users....................
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A limited survey !
I believe they surveyed 40 people at Exeter ( must have been a busy morning ) and about 400 at Manchester and similar at Liverpool .
The extrapolation was flawed . Did Manchester ever have the queues of a mile OUTSIDE ( not those in the multiple car park waiting to check in luggage at TUI desks the lie of the camera )
Again I am not disputing the systemic failures in the industry , just that particular pole with a clear bias - Which poles are notoriously poor and have been for years - consumers poles my **** indeed that survey acknowledges that Which are gaining click per view fees that automatically red flags the research imho.
Nationally they say they surveyed around 7000 , we have no idea at what times and where , what the questions were whether the survey enquired about reason for travel nor the social and economic makeup of those surveyed were.
From an analytical point of view it seems poor to be generous .
I believe they surveyed 40 people at Exeter ( must have been a busy morning ) and about 400 at Manchester and similar at Liverpool .
The extrapolation was flawed . Did Manchester ever have the queues of a mile OUTSIDE ( not those in the multiple car park waiting to check in luggage at TUI desks the lie of the camera )
Again I am not disputing the systemic failures in the industry , just that particular pole with a clear bias - Which poles are notoriously poor and have been for years - consumers poles my **** indeed that survey acknowledges that Which are gaining click per view fees that automatically red flags the research imho.
Nationally they say they surveyed around 7000 , we have no idea at what times and where , what the questions were whether the survey enquired about reason for travel nor the social and economic makeup of those surveyed were.
From an analytical point of view it seems poor to be generous .
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The Icelandair 767 in today apparently had a heavy landing causing some ceiling panels and oxygen masks to fall down. The return flight was cancelled and the aircraft needs to be inspected before it can return. There are pictures on social media of the damaged panels inside the plane.
"A limited survey ! I believe they surveyed 40 people at Exeter ( must have been a busy morning ) and about 400 at Manchester and similar at Liverpool ."
the statisticians would tell you that 900 people give you a correct answer to around +/- 2%
the statisticians would tell you that 900 people give you a correct answer to around +/- 2%
