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Couldn’t Agee more Ozzy spot on
Could expand on the 8_12 week DBS checks timeframe for EVERY new employee going airside from cleaner , to pilot and even building maintenance, massively reduced pool of potential employees due to end of FOM, crap salaries and perceived working conditions offered, government notification of opening up travel in February far too close to the start of the season . All compounded by mass voucher redemptions on an unprecedented scale by a populous ( not expected by the industry themselves) stir crazy from being couped up for best part of two years or more.
Remember many indeed most of the vouchers were issued via a certain few inclusive tour companies and some of the legacies so the redemptive options have effective departure airport caveats and limitations.
Whilst both Easy and Ryan offered vouchers , many of their customers simply cancelled for refunds anyway.
Going back to ending of FOM further impacts GB passport holders ( third country status) in their MILLIONS joining the queues with Russians, North African, Ukrainian and others to have their passport Stamped twice ! and impacting every EU airport at rates NEVER SEEN BEFORE in history !
( travel volumes in the early seventies were a fraction of today)..
Problems have been doubling amplified at the prime IT departure airports Manchester , Leeds, Glasgow, Birmingham, Bristol, Stanstead and Gatwick by the post ending of furlough and resultant mass sackings by the handlers.
At airports such as Luton and Liverpool i’d hazard to suggest the levels of suit cases , and catering requirements ( both organic blob intensive) fewer packages and requirements for longer stay clientele are a fraction of these peers.
Simply put typical Easyjet/Ryanair mini backpack clientele don’t need many/any blobs to check cases , issue boarding cards, porter cases to onto carts or into containers, bar code, drive and load, have catering loaded, delivered trollies loaded onto plane, process passengers with mobility issues ( both Manchester and Gatwick certainly are falling down here and that is a disgrace for those operators and I can’t condone or critique this certain failing)
That same clientele passing through the LCC terminals will probably have fewer electronics and certainly lower risk of carrying levels of offending liquids ( don’t get me started on this nonsense through)
This situation is a perfect storm for the levels of disruption across the industry amplified in the UK by a certain self imposed political event and its associated impacts.
IFC perhaps your knee jerk and simple viewpoint need addressing somewhat.
Could expand on the 8_12 week DBS checks timeframe for EVERY new employee going airside from cleaner , to pilot and even building maintenance, massively reduced pool of potential employees due to end of FOM, crap salaries and perceived working conditions offered, government notification of opening up travel in February far too close to the start of the season . All compounded by mass voucher redemptions on an unprecedented scale by a populous ( not expected by the industry themselves) stir crazy from being couped up for best part of two years or more.
Remember many indeed most of the vouchers were issued via a certain few inclusive tour companies and some of the legacies so the redemptive options have effective departure airport caveats and limitations.
Whilst both Easy and Ryan offered vouchers , many of their customers simply cancelled for refunds anyway.
Going back to ending of FOM further impacts GB passport holders ( third country status) in their MILLIONS joining the queues with Russians, North African, Ukrainian and others to have their passport Stamped twice ! and impacting every EU airport at rates NEVER SEEN BEFORE in history !
( travel volumes in the early seventies were a fraction of today)..
Problems have been doubling amplified at the prime IT departure airports Manchester , Leeds, Glasgow, Birmingham, Bristol, Stanstead and Gatwick by the post ending of furlough and resultant mass sackings by the handlers.
At airports such as Luton and Liverpool i’d hazard to suggest the levels of suit cases , and catering requirements ( both organic blob intensive) fewer packages and requirements for longer stay clientele are a fraction of these peers.
Simply put typical Easyjet/Ryanair mini backpack clientele don’t need many/any blobs to check cases , issue boarding cards, porter cases to onto carts or into containers, bar code, drive and load, have catering loaded, delivered trollies loaded onto plane, process passengers with mobility issues ( both Manchester and Gatwick certainly are falling down here and that is a disgrace for those operators and I can’t condone or critique this certain failing)
That same clientele passing through the LCC terminals will probably have fewer electronics and certainly lower risk of carrying levels of offending liquids ( don’t get me started on this nonsense through)
This situation is a perfect storm for the levels of disruption across the industry amplified in the UK by a certain self imposed political event and its associated impacts.
IFC perhaps your knee jerk and simple viewpoint need addressing somewhat.
Your average second home owner flying down to Faro displays the same characteristics as when they fly away for their long haul south East Asian holiday with Emirates.
I mean, MAG were still trying to recruit someone to head up their planning operation in Feb ‘22, certainly for security staffing levels; I remember reading the job spec! So there was likely a vacuum of leadership in a key area at a key time that won’t have helped generally. I’ve heard a few independent accounts through professional relationships of a particularly toxic work environment, that’s not helped retain staff in these sorts of teams either. Coupled with all the other factors, it won’t have helped, however there’s clearly many different macro effects adding into this perfect storm.
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MAG SEES JULY PASSENGER TRAFFIC HIT 85% OF PRE-COVID LEVELS
Manchester Airports Group (MAG) said the “positive trend” had been improved upon during the first week of August, as 99% of passengers cleared in half an hour or less, while 84% went through in 15 minutes or under.
At Stansted, 99% of passengers cleared security within 15 minutes last month.
The statistics were released as MAG revealed a recovery in overall passenger levels during July to 85% of pre-Covid traffic – with 5.5 million travellers using its three airports.
The figure across Manchester, Stansted and East Midlands, rose from 82% in May and 84% in June.
Stansted’s numbers reached 90% of 2019 levels, totalling 2.5 million passengers, while Manchester welcomed 2.6 million passengers, accounting for 82% of pre-pandemic traffic. East Midlands reported more than 400,000 passengers.
MAG also reported to have recruited more than 300 staff across its business last month, taking its total since January to more than 2,000.
Chief executive Charlie Cornish said: “We continue to see a strong recovery and, having welcomed more than 2,000 new colleagues into our business, are laying the foundations for passenger volumes and customer service to return to pre-pandemic levels in 2023.”
Manchester Airports Group (MAG) said the “positive trend” had been improved upon during the first week of August, as 99% of passengers cleared in half an hour or less, while 84% went through in 15 minutes or under.
At Stansted, 99% of passengers cleared security within 15 minutes last month.
The statistics were released as MAG revealed a recovery in overall passenger levels during July to 85% of pre-Covid traffic – with 5.5 million travellers using its three airports.
The figure across Manchester, Stansted and East Midlands, rose from 82% in May and 84% in June.
Stansted’s numbers reached 90% of 2019 levels, totalling 2.5 million passengers, while Manchester welcomed 2.6 million passengers, accounting for 82% of pre-pandemic traffic. East Midlands reported more than 400,000 passengers.
MAG also reported to have recruited more than 300 staff across its business last month, taking its total since January to more than 2,000.
Chief executive Charlie Cornish said: “We continue to see a strong recovery and, having welcomed more than 2,000 new colleagues into our business, are laying the foundations for passenger volumes and customer service to return to pre-pandemic levels in 2023.”
Have Eastern completely given up on MAN-SOU. ? Not seen one for sometime & although in their drop down menu-no longer bookable.
I guess the 2+ hour security issues knocked the 50 minute flight on the head . With the train disruptions, it could/should of been a boost for Eastern & similar routes.
I guess the 2+ hour security issues knocked the 50 minute flight on the head . With the train disruptions, it could/should of been a boost for Eastern & similar routes.
Have Eastern completely given up on MAN-SOU. ? Not seen one for sometime & although in their drop down menu-no longer bookable.
I guess the 2+ hour security issues knocked the 50 minute flight on the head . With the train disruptions, it could/should of been a boost for Eastern & similar routes.
I guess the 2+ hour security issues knocked the 50 minute flight on the head . With the train disruptions, it could/should of been a boost for Eastern & similar routes.
T2 Experience Report
First time through MAN in a long while and outbound through T2 mid morning yesterday.
Would rate the experience as very poor.
For the bits I think MAG have a hand in:
39 minutes to pick us up from the car rental village and deposit us at the terminal
21 minutes because the check-in desk does not accept a regular hold-all because “it is soft”. Directed to an outsize bag drop in area G that was closed. Walk to area A to queue and then deposit a bag that every other airport we use would have accepted at initial check-in. Walk back to security.
73 minutes for security.
18 minutes to queue again at security for manual baggage screening as one bag was rejected due to “not being scanned” the first time through. Bag rescanned and accepted without issue.
Seems churlish to mention the broken travelator.
Arrived on campus 8.40am and made a 1.10pm departure with a few minutes to spare.
Would rate the experience as very poor.
For the bits I think MAG have a hand in:
39 minutes to pick us up from the car rental village and deposit us at the terminal
21 minutes because the check-in desk does not accept a regular hold-all because “it is soft”. Directed to an outsize bag drop in area G that was closed. Walk to area A to queue and then deposit a bag that every other airport we use would have accepted at initial check-in. Walk back to security.
73 minutes for security.
18 minutes to queue again at security for manual baggage screening as one bag was rejected due to “not being scanned” the first time through. Bag rescanned and accepted without issue.
Seems churlish to mention the broken travelator.
Arrived on campus 8.40am and made a 1.10pm departure with a few minutes to spare.
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Same promotion is available from DUB and SNN, for the same time period of 01 Sep - 31 Oct. It’s their standard off peak sale.
Reading in an Irish forum that the LR is returning to DUB next year to launch DUB-BUF. MAN will have 2 x based A330s. Many speculating it will be the 2 remaining A332s stored since the pandemic (EI-DAA & EI-DUO) which EI have confirmed are being reactivated this winter. This is potentially due to the delays in delivery of the 321XLRs next year.
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Reading in an Irish forum that the LR is returning to DUB next year to launch DUB-BUF. MAN will have 2 x based A330s. Many speculating it will be the 2 remaining A332s stored since the pandemic (EI-DAA & EI-DUO) which EI have confirmed are being reactivated this winter. This is potentially due to the delays in delivery of the 321XLRs next year.
I have avoided this direct route due to my own preference of a single isle aircraft crossing the pond.
I have to say so far their customer service has been outstanding (online) I hope the onboard service is at the same level then I won’t be disappointed.
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I am flying MAN-JFK Business with EI in a few days, due to BA cancelling my feeder to LHR.
I have avoided this direct route due to my own preference of a single isle aircraft crossing the pond.
I have to say so far their customer service has been outstanding (online) I hope the onboard service is at the same level then I won’t be disappointed.
I have avoided this direct route due to my own preference of a single isle aircraft crossing the pond.
I have to say so far their customer service has been outstanding (online) I hope the onboard service is at the same level then I won’t be disappointed.
Never quite understood that to be honest , if seat pitch is good enough and if up front as fold downs for x2 to x5 times the base price what difference does an extra aisle make
You know the reason for twin aisles is largely to cram more seats within the same length of tube by gauge , no other reason !
And largely determined by limited ground parking real estate!
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Where you say preference , do you mean personal bias “against” ?
Never quite understood that to be honest , if seat pitch is good enough and if up front as fold downs for x2 to x5 times the base price what difference does an extra aisle make
You know the reason for twin aisles is largely to cram more seats within the same length of tube by gauge , no other reason !
And largely determined by limited ground parking real estate!
Never quite understood that to be honest , if seat pitch is good enough and if up front as fold downs for x2 to x5 times the base price what difference does an extra aisle make
You know the reason for twin aisles is largely to cram more seats within the same length of tube by gauge , no other reason !
And largely determined by limited ground parking real estate!
Yes totally my own personal preference, even though I have the single seat in row 5 with flat bed I still prefer the new BA B772 business cabin I also like to go for a wander up to the back and back down the other isle to stretch my legs, I guess it’s worse for economy passengers.
Must admit I’ve always taken the direct route even an angle flat 752 over via ABL, because the extra time, hassle and risk of the domestic sector being disrupted just weren’t worth it.
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EK021/022 which will resume on 1st October with B777 will be switched to A380 eff. 30th October meaning EK will operate 3 daily A380 to MAN again starting winter timetable.
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A rather bizarre caricature of a LCC passenger there. In reality, the attributes and characteristics of a passenger invariably depends upon their destination as opposed to the airline which they are flying.
Your average second home owner flying down to Faro displays the same characteristics as when they fly away for their long haul south East Asian holiday with Emirates.
Your average second home owner flying down to Faro displays the same characteristics as when they fly away for their long haul south East Asian holiday with Emirates.
Indeed as I said it’s the very foundation of the flexible fares business model !
Easyjet and the hold baggage measures at the gates also means the few bags that fail and go in the hold for extras primarily by pass the airport baggage systems a further advantage over say 80 kgs of luggage for a family on an Tui or Jet2 holiday flight
Its not bazaar it’s an observation
Destination is irrelevant more rather time away .Two weeks in Jersey at a hotel or two weeks in Dubai for the family demands a considerable amount of baggage .
A few days in Faro probably not !
Indeed your reference of second homers and my own experience ( I have a home in Nantes and once had a home in Carnaxide) is things such as golf clubs remain in the second home and aren’t routinely airfreighted so to speak.
The dears that spend winter in Malta or Cyprus travel out of peak for the most part !
( many are regrettably going to fall foul of 90 in 180 day rule this coming winter, a great pity as their long stays frequently save them a lot of money whilst also reduce the risk of many health problems in the more temperate climb’s) Many will have voted for Brexit no doubt !
That said Dubai seems a potential beneficiary if you have a few million spare ( sell your Malta/ Cyprus home ) and move .
You can stay 30 days and extended to 60 days without a full visa I believe and up to three months with a Visa
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