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Normally I d ignore your rant but since you've quoted me so here goes...everyone is entitled to their opinion..such opinions are honestly held and just as valid as yours and just as valid to put forward..If you don't like what you read read you scroll past. Instead you reacted like a child in a playground...jog on
Normally I d ignore your rant but since you've quoted me so here goes...everyone is entitled to their opinion..such opinions are honestly held and just as valid as yours and just as valid to put forward..If you don't like what you read read you scroll past. Instead you reacted like a child in a playground...jog on
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I think if you are expecting large numbers of people whose pension partly depended on Flybe from the BRAL scheme to “live and let live”, then you have another think coming. Many will find the presence of a renewed Flybe backed by the same venture capitalist which was in the privileged position of taking security over many assets and has already received big payouts from the administrator to be deeply distasteful.
You may argue that this is capitalism and a good thing. They would argue it is the unacceptable face of capitalism which has wiped out large aspects of their pensions for which they had worked in good faith.
You may argue that this is capitalism and a good thing. They would argue it is the unacceptable face of capitalism which has wiped out large aspects of their pensions for which they had worked in good faith.
You are 100% correct. The people at the financial heart of the 'new' Flybe pulled off an asset stripping exercise and managed to dump their obligations to the BRAL pensioners in the process when they shut down 'old' Flybe.
Those who are cheering on the new company seem unwilling or unable to understand that those same financial wide boys are gearing up to repeat the whole process.
All of this is technically legal but morally repugnant.
Those who are cheering on the new company seem unwilling or unable to understand that those same financial wide boys are gearing up to repeat the whole process.
All of this is technically legal but morally repugnant.
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Looks like it would be a LM / SI / GR team up with the codeshare SI, GR and LM seem to have going. Or maybe T3 would be easy pickings for the new flybe?
Looks like it would be a LM / SI / GR team up with the codeshare SI, GR and LM seem to have going. Or maybe T3 would be easy pickings for the new flybe?
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most recently as CEO of Ravn Air Group, the largest regional airline in Alaska.
Alaska’s largest rural airline has declared bankruptcy, laid off more than 1,000 workers and is selling off its assets. But the company still wants to split $250,000 in bonuses between its highly-paid chief executive and other employees.
In a filing Tuesday in Delaware bankruptcy court, RavnAir Group said the bonuses are justified because of the hard work and long hours that Chief Executive Officer Dave Pflieger and the other employees put into selling the company’s assets, after it shut down amid the COVID-19 pandemic.
In a filing Tuesday in Delaware bankruptcy court, RavnAir Group said the bonuses are justified because of the hard work and long hours that Chief Executive Officer Dave Pflieger and the other employees put into selling the company’s assets, after it shut down amid the COVID-19 pandemic.
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You forgot to cut and paste the part about Ravn filing for bankruptcy due to a global pandemic and the fact it restarted in 2020 under the same name but different business behind it…. Sounds familiar.
Clearly this guys worked with Cyrus a lot, he’s been mentioned in the companies filings at companies house for the last few months.
Clearly this guys worked with Cyrus a lot, he’s been mentioned in the companies filings at companies house for the last few months.
Pflieger, an aviation executive and a relatively well-known name within the airline startup space
) are still going?
Starting an airline, and achieving consistent profitability is tough. The record of past small airlines is not particularly great. I wish Flybe well, but being a bit wary seems to go with the territory
Amateur yes, but not in business, and curiously the airline industry is a business. Good thing is that this gent has history in the industry and isn't just a bean (pardon the pun) counter brought in from an unrelated sector. That rarely ends well whatever the sector.
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The question is, is there a 'startup space' ? What is flybe mk2 proposing to provide which isn't already being provided by Loganair or Eastern? Are they planning to use planes which are markedly more economical or of a better size? I haven't been convinced by the supporters on this thread.
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As SWBKCB highlighted the people involved here are not the sort to lose anything. They will know every trick in the book to protect themselves.
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And what's to stop Eastern, Logan, Blue Islands and Aurigny teaming up to try and suppress any start up space? Loganair already has code shares with Blue Islands, Blue Islands with Aurigny and Loganair, wouldn't be to far fetched to include Eastern in all of this and then one united front v flybe mk2. Lets face it of the 4, 3 have directly been burned and Aurigny are desperate to make some money and not having Flybe to compete with wouldn't be a bad thing.
And what's to stop Eastern, Logan, Blue Islands and Aurigny teaming up to try and suppress any start up space? Loganair already has code shares with Blue Islands, Blue Islands with Aurigny and Loganair, wouldn't be to far fetched to include Eastern in all of this and then one united front v flybe mk2. Lets face it of the 4, 3 have directly been burned and Aurigny are desperate to make some money and not having Flybe to compete with wouldn't be a bad thing.
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We have competition laws and authorities which would probably need to approve any such collaboration. I doubt it would be approved on the basis that 4 carriers didn’t want a 5th joining the market. However they could probably codeshare or have some kind of frequent flyer partnership without much fuss.
Eastern seem a bit of a basket case. As soon as any other operator appears they drop the route, and it feels like their schedules change on a weekly basis so I’m not sure they add anything anyway. Probably the easiest carrier for Flybe to target but then Eastern haven’t made money for a while and Flybe flying bigger planes on the same routes will probably just lose even more.
Eastern seem a bit of a basket case. As soon as any other operator appears they drop the route, and it feels like their schedules change on a weekly basis so I’m not sure they add anything anyway. Probably the easiest carrier for Flybe to target but then Eastern haven’t made money for a while and Flybe flying bigger planes on the same routes will probably just lose even more.
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