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From the little I'm hearing, BHX5DME may well get their wish. It sounds as though BHX is going to be the HQ and the largest single base. EXT doesn't seem to feature at all. Don't know routes before anyone asks!
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Amazing to see some of the suggestions on here like CWF, EMA, NQY etc. There is a reason regional flights have never worked from these airports and the more BE got involved with them the more it tipped them over the edge. If they had any sense they would go back to key bases when they arrived on the scene like BHX, SOU, EXT etc and just grow them. You don’t need to open up routes from more than one airport in a region. Air Baltic have shown what you can achieve by building bases at 3 less fashionable bases around a single fleet type. When BE were most successful it was because their fleet was just the q400 with the odd cheap 146 on top.
if they want to be ambitious then they should mirror David Neeleman’s business model and serve secondary cities that the big boys will never touch. Last time I checked his record of Westjet, JetBlue and Azul isn’t bad evidence of this business model. Watch his new airline Breeze be another success. Alas the mystery 20 A220 order was yet more for Breeze, now 80 in total on order. No reason someone in Europe could not copy this model. Not saying BE are the ones that are going to do it though. Personally I think something stinks about the whole thing but I wish them luck as they did serve a purpose that remains unfulfilled.
if they want to be ambitious then they should mirror David Neeleman’s business model and serve secondary cities that the big boys will never touch. Last time I checked his record of Westjet, JetBlue and Azul isn’t bad evidence of this business model. Watch his new airline Breeze be another success. Alas the mystery 20 A220 order was yet more for Breeze, now 80 in total on order. No reason someone in Europe could not copy this model. Not saying BE are the ones that are going to do it though. Personally I think something stinks about the whole thing but I wish them luck as they did serve a purpose that remains unfulfilled.
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Problem is most of their key routes at their old key bases at Southampton, Exeter and Brum have been snapped up by competitors.
What are these secondary routes where you think they might be successful? I personally would have said Flybe operated a lot of secondary routes last time out.
I'm genuinely fascinated to see what their proposed new operation will look like.
What are these secondary routes where you think they might be successful? I personally would have said Flybe operated a lot of secondary routes last time out.
I'm genuinely fascinated to see what their proposed new operation will look like.
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After BHX, BHD was one of the more profitable bases however a lot of the routes from BHD have been snapped up already, granted not at the frequency that flybe flew but it would still act as a barrier to entry. There is still some potential - Manchester was 7/8 per day at its best along with BHX 7/8 per day. LCY finished up at 7 per day and apparently the most profitable route on the network as they had a load of contracts on the route. You were unable to get a seat on the day for anything under £400 on way on most occasions. (Weekends were quieter)
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The EI regional base at BHD will give a decent schedule, MAN will be 5 a day for example, and now BA Cityflyer on LCY. You really can't judge the current frequencies against what FlyBe did in 2019 as COVID is the reason the flights are not running, I really do think from May 17th, and more so from June that there will be a ramp up in both flights and more importantly passenger numbers ...
there are still big gaps left in many ex FlyBe bases, even some of the ones people dismiss like CWL and DSA, FlyBe in those bases doing sunshine routes was always questionable, but I hear some of the key regional routes (like AMS, BHD etc) did well for them.
there are still big gaps left in many ex FlyBe bases, even some of the ones people dismiss like CWL and DSA, FlyBe in those bases doing sunshine routes was always questionable, but I hear some of the key regional routes (like AMS, BHD etc) did well for them.
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That would be a good strategy.
That would be a good strategy.
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Well at this moment, it actually looks like EDI/ABZ will be 2 of the bases. They received the slots for EDI/ABZ-LHR and that will need at least a based aircraft at each.
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Not so sure they have. The old airline won grandfathering rights and because the decision to revoke the OL has been appealed it's yet to be revoked. Therefore, it's my understand it's the old airline which has the slots, not the new airline.
They might still get them but that depends on how their appeal goes.
Not so sure they have. The old airline won grandfathering rights and because the decision to revoke the OL has been appealed it's yet to be revoked. Therefore, it's my understand it's the old airline which has the slots, not the new airline.
They might still get them but that depends on how their appeal goes.
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Devonguy, Having seen the online advert, I don’t think it is a genuine advert, as it refers to a online portal on the website to apply and currently their is no online portal on the website as the website says coming soon, also the former COO sent out a message earlier this year to say that they had become aware of a Fake advert asking for Cabin crew applications for Edinburgh and a couple of other former Flybe bases.
As far as I’m aware they still aren’t recruiting yet.
As far as I’m aware they still aren’t recruiting yet.
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I've just read the CAA's revoke decision again.
My understanding from that document is the EU considers the new Flybe as a legal continuation of the old Flybe, hence why they have the grandfathering rights and the slots. But that decision seems very much dependent on them winning their appeal against the decision by the CAA to revoke the OL. If they lose it then the CAA say as much in their appeal that slots cannot be transferred. The CAA also appear to say they've had assurances from the administrators no tickets will be sold etc until the issue is resolved. Whether that holds any sway now parts of the company have been sold I'm unsure!
I'm no legal expert whatsoever, just trying to work out what is going on! Interesting to see what happens from here....
My understanding from that document is the EU considers the new Flybe as a legal continuation of the old Flybe, hence why they have the grandfathering rights and the slots. But that decision seems very much dependent on them winning their appeal against the decision by the CAA to revoke the OL. If they lose it then the CAA say as much in their appeal that slots cannot be transferred. The CAA also appear to say they've had assurances from the administrators no tickets will be sold etc until the issue is resolved. Whether that holds any sway now parts of the company have been sold I'm unsure!
I'm no legal expert whatsoever, just trying to work out what is going on! Interesting to see what happens from here....
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Looks like an interesting new development with the new Flybe being reported on CH aviation news that the CEO has left Thyme Opco. This is either a new development or CH Aviation news have only just realised that Lucian Farrell resigned from it several months ago.