Flybe-10
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Dorset
Posts: 413
I think Flybe did, to a degree, have a similar strategy to Porter with their operations out of City airport, where did they quite well
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South West, UK
Posts: 153
BA318
I would agree with that, Cityflyer are very efficient in terms of aircraft utilisation & network planning. Where is Flybe just seem to open and close routes for the fun of it, considering it was a 40 year old business it still seemed very amateurish in places.
For others saying it was like Porter it's not. It had flights out of City, Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted, Southend & even Luton I believe. A similar picture across other parts of the UK where it was serving two airports very close to each other in the name of 'connectivity' rather than having everything at a single airport.
I would agree with that, Cityflyer are very efficient in terms of aircraft utilisation & network planning. Where is Flybe just seem to open and close routes for the fun of it, considering it was a 40 year old business it still seemed very amateurish in places.
For others saying it was like Porter it's not. It had flights out of City, Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted, Southend & even Luton I believe. A similar picture across other parts of the UK where it was serving two airports very close to each other in the name of 'connectivity' rather than having everything at a single airport.
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: 41000ft
Posts: 123
Originally Posted by Albert Hall
Flybe's operations at LCY, and the LHR services, were an utter calamity. I am not sure where you get the idea that they "did quite well" but they did not.
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South West, UK
Posts: 153
ATNotts
Errm I think you might want to do a bit of research i.e https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/artic...s-flybe/150963
Even the adverts back in 2010 make out it's a 'low cost airline'. I worked & trained with Flybe for 5 years so I know what it's business model was and the majority of the issues it had.
Errm I think you might want to do a bit of research i.e https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/artic...s-flybe/150963
Even the adverts back in 2010 make out it's a 'low cost airline'. I worked & trained with Flybe for 5 years so I know what it's business model was and the majority of the issues it had.
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South West, UK
Posts: 153
Yeah a lot of the routes made a loss and subsequently got axed or changed. Newquay to Gatwick survived under the government support scheme. I think if Saad had more flexibility he would have just paid to get rid of the E195s and scaled down the business a bit. It was a shame he left in 2016 although I suspect he left because he wasn't given enough freedom to sort out the business as he would have liked too.
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: East London
Age: 39
Posts: 314
Was EDI-LCY a basket case? That’s the one I took a few times and always seemed to do well for loads and as an outsider I’d have said fares weren’t too low either. I’ve seen it said a lot that BHD-LCY was a real winner.
The logic and strategy of the LCY network at the start seemed sound but clearly some routes didn’t work at all - some a surprise, some less so - and some were trimmed.
But the whole London strategy quickly became muddled and the LCY network itself represented a u-turn. They had quit the London market having sold the LGW slots and were focusing on the regions. Fine. But then they ended up being pressured/paid(?) to keep the NQY-LGW route. And then largely reinstating the old LGW network into LCY. And then added a couple of routes into STN which didn’t last long including a bizarrely timed double-daily to NCL where both flight were off-peak. And they had the Stobart franchise operation in their name at SEN, plus a short-lived DUB route that was operated directly outside the franchise. And Loganair into STN which was also a franchise.
So from a long-standing LGW operation they quickly went to dribs and drabs at multiple airports.
The logic and strategy of the LCY network at the start seemed sound but clearly some routes didn’t work at all - some a surprise, some less so - and some were trimmed.
But the whole London strategy quickly became muddled and the LCY network itself represented a u-turn. They had quit the London market having sold the LGW slots and were focusing on the regions. Fine. But then they ended up being pressured/paid(?) to keep the NQY-LGW route. And then largely reinstating the old LGW network into LCY. And then added a couple of routes into STN which didn’t last long including a bizarrely timed double-daily to NCL where both flight were off-peak. And they had the Stobart franchise operation in their name at SEN, plus a short-lived DUB route that was operated directly outside the franchise. And Loganair into STN which was also a franchise.
So from a long-standing LGW operation they quickly went to dribs and drabs at multiple airports.
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 49
11 ex Flybe Q400s going over to be tankers in Canada.
https://fireaviation.com/2021/01/14/...rs-with-q400s/
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