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Old 14th Oct 2020, 06:21
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Originally Posted by willy wombat View Post
Shame on you airline people posting above telling pax it’s not the airline’s fault, blame the handling agent. Who appoints and (hopefully) monitors the handling agent? That would be the airline. Average passenger doesn’t draw a distinction between the airline and the handling agent and airlines by and large understand that. I used to travel a lot through EDI, but haven’t since March and the place used to be a shambles because it was too busy. Now it sounds like a shambles because it’s too quiet.
Both the public, airlines, and all other stakeholders (including governments) are to blame for the state of the industry to a degree. The public want to fly all over the world for a euro, and to remain competitive, and profitable, all airlines outsource anything not attached to the aircraft (and things that are in some cases). The industry is not liberalised and in some cases such as the US completely protected from market forces and competition. The other end of the scale is counties like Italy that prop up a 'zombie' airline that simply should not be allowed to operate.

You pay for what you get 'Willy"....I imagine the cost of your ticket was similar to the cost of filling a car tank with petrol, and how far would that get you?......look in the mirror before criticising "airline people' per se.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 01:08
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Originally Posted by david120 View Post
6 pages! have not read all so I may be wrong - has anybody mentioned the necessity for TWO sets of steps to ensure optimum social distancing. I recently flew LGW-INV-LGW with LCC and found the cabin s-d procedures to be not fit for purpose - full loads each sector. I won't go into details but in these times two sets of steps should be mandatory, together with other COVID rules including maximum loading (middle seat free?) plus cabin rules which are currently guidance only in UK. A reasonable additional ticket cost should be accepted while train fares are typically double the average flight cost for domestic and European destinations.

As a former airline employee for several decades I flew frequently - both on and off duty. Since retirement my wife and I would normally fly several times a year for leisure, however following this experience we will not be flying again anytime soon.

Airlines need to accept that this 'new normal' is for many reasons indefinite. If they wish to keep customers they should be striving to keep them feeling safe from infection, otherwise, like us, they will find other ways to travel or stay at home.
1.1BILLION people have flown on a flight since March 2020 - a total of 41 people have or are suspected of catching COVID from flying.

41 people out of 1.1billion.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 06:46
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Originally Posted by irishlad06 View Post
1.1BILLION people have flown on a flight since March 2020 - a total of 41 people have or are suspected of catching COVID from flying.

41 people out of 1.1billion.
While you - or rather IATA's modelling - may well be in the right ballpark, the actual figure is demonstrably unprovable, unless you are suggesting that every one of those 1.1 billion people was tested a week or so after flying, which sounds a tad unlikely.

What IATA actually said was "there is no way to establish an exact tally of possible flight-associated cases".
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 09:42
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EDI gorundhandling is some of the worst in my experience and is staffed by officious and unhelpful jobsworth's. It can't be a Scottish thing because Inverness and Prestwick and Glasgow are all efficient and friendly. It's been like this for decades and I often wonder why.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 17:04
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Originally Posted by God_of_Fire View Post
EDI gorundhandling is some of the worst in my experience and is staffed by officious and unhelpful jobsworth's. It can't be a Scottish thing because Inverness and Prestwick and Glasgow are all efficient and friendly. It's been like this for decades and I often wonder why.
I can't speak for Prestwick or Inverness, but I wonder if the answer lies in that clever 1980's ad campaign: 'GlasgowSmiles better'
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 12:21
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Originally Posted by olster View Post
Ahead of schedule currently routing direct to the final approach crowed the captain of the inbound flight to Edinburgh this evening. More verbiage about how early we were as we arrived on stand. 55 minutes later we were finally released and we listened to a litany of excuses. Apparently due to I kid you not, covid of course, there was only one set of steps @ Edinburgh and these were nowhere to be found. The lad behind me mildly enquired and complained to the senior cabin crew and was barked at in return ‘to not take his frustration out on the staff’. Very precious and unjustified. Having enjoyed a packet of crisps and a bottle of water as our in flight ‘refreshment’ I can only say that the former national carrier is a national embarrassment. Yes I know times are tough but really.
What do you expect from Angloflot? The time I flew with them and the stew looked down her nose at me when I asked for cream for my coffee was the last time I ever flew with them! OK, it wasn't their fault, but there is no need for them to be rude.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 15:20
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Originally Posted by irishlad06 View Post
a total of 41 people have or are suspected of catching COVID from flying..
That sounds very like one of those statistics where you say "they cannot possibly know that," and it turns out to be an estimate based on spurious grounds, aka "complete guess". This applied to most of the data presented as solid facts by Chris Whitty (for UK readers only) a few evening ago, but at least the word "Estimate" was clearly visible on the charts, even though Dr Whitty failed to point that out.
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 10:24
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Frustrations

Originally Posted by AirUK View Post
Due to the crisis you mention, many air crew have been sat on their behinds for the past 7 months... PPRuNe provides the vent we would usually reserve for cruise chatter! You did just find time out of your crisis-ridden day to trawl through the 5 pages yourself, did you not?!
We in the business for 000s of years combined are all just venting our frustrations.
Everyone has a limit.
50% Salary reductions in the Middle East
Kurtzarbeit in Germany
New contracts in Europe
Mass redundancies everywhere.

Better we all vent about airstairs, slots, taxi times and crisp flavours than do something stupid.
I know of suicides since this crisis started.
Better to complain about the crisps...
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 12:56
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Cheers DCS99, I agree. For those above you are not the arbiter of what goes into PPRuNe. Secondly particularly cabin crew(e) you obviously do not do irony as your little bitchy comments every couple of pages extended the thread even longer. Hilarious. I am well aware of the current crisis affecting aviation which saddens me greatly. However that does not absolve BA from providing a normal service. This does not include Bollinger but it does include the steps to get off. Just for balance I took the same flight a week later and it was all seamless apart from the stale crisps.
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