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Esken are a publicly listed company so any announcement involving the disposal of Stobart Air would likely have to be timed alongside an RNS to the stock market.
Looks like someone spreading idle gossip, or if true then someone jumped the gun and is now back pedalling....Ooops!
Looks like someone spreading idle gossip, or if true then someone jumped the gun and is now back pedalling....Ooops!
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The ESKEN media release issued at 07.00 on 20 April gives full details. Look in the INVESTOR section of their website and the item on 20 April marked DISPOSAL.Notification of Class 2 transaction - Sale of Stobart Air and Carlisle Lake District Airport
"Esken, the aviation and energy infrastructure group, announces that it has signed an agreement for the sale of its entire shareholdings in Stobart Air Unlimited Company ('SA') (which operates regional flights under a franchise agreement for Aer Lingus) and Stobart Air (UK) Limited, the owner of Carlisle Lake District Airport ('CLDA') to Ettyl Limited (Ettyl). The sale is subject to certain change of control and bank facility consents and is expected to complete by early May 2021."
There is a lot more detail in the lengthy media release.
"Esken, the aviation and energy infrastructure group, announces that it has signed an agreement for the sale of its entire shareholdings in Stobart Air Unlimited Company ('SA') (which operates regional flights under a franchise agreement for Aer Lingus) and Stobart Air (UK) Limited, the owner of Carlisle Lake District Airport ('CLDA') to Ettyl Limited (Ettyl). The sale is subject to certain change of control and bank facility consents and is expected to complete by early May 2021."
There is a lot more detail in the lengthy media release.
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And the CEO of Ettyl looks like a great guy too, zero understanding of aviation.. so hope he as an investor behind him... playing with others people money... he also has a nice history, one sided view from the guy that got "scammed": Jasonscalesfraud (google.com)
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That seems rather harsh, particularly given the history if you read back through this thread. For me, the jury's out on this one until proven either way - especially as the deal has to go through to begin with.
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In fairness, Stellios had no experience of aviation when he launched Easyjet...
Ok, i'm not suggesting they are the new easyjet, but not every founder has had experience in the industry, and many of them have gone on to be a success, so I wouldnt read too much in to that. As long as he hires the right people to advise him, he might do ok.
In fairness, Stellios had no experience of aviation when he launched Easyjet...
Ok, i'm not suggesting they are the new easyjet, but not every founder has had experience in the industry, and many of them have gone on to be a success, so I wouldnt read too much in to that. As long as he hires the right people to advise him, he might do ok.
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Ettyl Ltd., which agreed to acquire Esken's stakes in Stobart Air and the Carlisle Lake District Airport, no longer has the proposed financing for the transaction. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/es...g-271622220395
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And what experience of aviation did Branston have when he decided to put his 'Virgin' tag on to British Atlantic Airways, how about Davis & Newman Shipping when they started Dan-Air, how about Niki Lauda when he started Lauda Air, Chris Amon & Bill Bryce when they started Brymon, how about Donald Trump when he started Trump Air ... The list is endless!
Wow ... He received a negative feedback off ebay ... Best we hold the front page for that one
And what experience of aviation did Branston have when he decided to put his 'Virgin' tag on to British Atlantic Airways, how about Davis & Newman Shipping when they started Dan-Air, how about Niki Lauda when he started Lauda Air, Chris Amon & Bill Bryce when they started Brymon, how about Donald Trump when he started Trump Air ... The list is endless!
Wow ... He received a negative feedback off ebay ... Best we hold the front page for that one
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https://www.independent.ie/business/...-40480855.html
Perhaps why the financing fell through is the real question here. Indo (arguably not the most authoritative source in media) is implying that change of control clauses could well be an issue.
Perhaps why the financing fell through is the real question here. Indo (arguably not the most authoritative source in media) is implying that change of control clauses could well be an issue.
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Due dilligence?
This reminds me of when I was needing to recolate and sell/buy property some 30+ years ago, the number of wannabee buyers that put in offers on my place that I accepted only for their subsequent mortgage applications to fall through, is due dilligence not to take investors at their word and to have a crystal ball that their proposed financing won't materialise, at that same time I recall having my offer accepted on buying a property only for the surveyor not to approve it, all that survey cost that I could have saved myself had I had due dilligence!
Then only a couple of years later I went thru it all again, this is financing whether it being buying real estate, motor transportation or indeed an airline, how many airlines have fallen through because thir expected financing packages became unavailable?
If at first you don't succeed then try and try again but there do appear to be an abundance of 'nay sayers' around these parts that are seemingly wanting Ettyl to fail at the first, second or third hurdle when there is the memainder of an obstacle race to run before that may be concluded.
Due dilligence?
This reminds me of when I was needing to recolate and sell/buy property some 30+ years ago, the number of wannabee buyers that put in offers on my place that I accepted only for their subsequent mortgage applications to fall through, is due dilligence not to take investors at their word and to have a crystal ball that their proposed financing won't materialise, at that same time I recall having my offer accepted on buying a property only for the surveyor not to approve it, all that survey cost that I could have saved myself had I had due dilligence!
Then only a couple of years later I went thru it all again, this is financing whether it being buying real estate, motor transportation or indeed an airline, how many airlines have fallen through because thir expected financing packages became unavailable?
If at first you don't succeed then try and try again but there do appear to be an abundance of 'nay sayers' around these parts that are seemingly wanting Ettyl to fail at the first, second or third hurdle when there is the memainder of an obstacle race to run before that may be concluded.
I for one certainly don't want to see the deal fall through. Sometimes though, from experience, you put two and two together and they actually do make four and that's the way this looks to me.
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In reality the financing for business, especially those in precarious trades, is in the hands of Merchant International banks and organisations. The finance for property/motors/ fridges etc is domestic and subject to far more market pressures. Sorry but its comparing apples and pears. The major lenders will do due diligence, especially at this present time, with a tooth comb. Its something they are equipped to do. Its not wanting something to fail, but being realistic.
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At that level, both will do a level of due diligence, albeit the money lenders will be more hard headed and ask more of the searching questions. Maybe the didnt get the answers they wanted.
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Not much info other than
Last month he denied speculation that Ettyl was being bankrolled by Doug Barrowman
Ettyl can confirm that it raised concerns with the Isle of Man Constabulary as soon as it became aware of an issue with the paperwork supplied by one of the proposed third-party funders
Last month he denied speculation that Ettyl was being bankrolled by Doug Barrowman
Ettyl can confirm that it raised concerns with the Isle of Man Constabulary as soon as it became aware of an issue with the paperwork supplied by one of the proposed third-party funders
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@PATUK I support any new start up, at any location, but lets be honest certain start ups are just a joke and will do more harm than good and for those I am always worried.
Varsity Express, Firnas Airways, FlyPop... Ettyl,, they are all a painfull joke, a pipedream that went to far.. But they can hurt some serious lives... Ettyl now taking over (or not) Stobart, that is 200 families we are talking about.. their food and shelter... And it is always a 3rd party who didnt make it happen.
We live in weird times and that Ettyl and Flypop got thet attention is just because we are in this crasy time but in normal times no one would look at these pipe dreams... Flypop is starting already 5 years and now they might or might not..
I am pro any start up, but keep it real...
Varsity Express, Firnas Airways, FlyPop... Ettyl,, they are all a painfull joke, a pipedream that went to far.. But they can hurt some serious lives... Ettyl now taking over (or not) Stobart, that is 200 families we are talking about.. their food and shelter... And it is always a 3rd party who didnt make it happen.
We live in weird times and that Ettyl and Flypop got thet attention is just because we are in this crasy time but in normal times no one would look at these pipe dreams... Flypop is starting already 5 years and now they might or might not..
I am pro any start up, but keep it real...