Quarantine if you arrive from Spain from midnight 25/7/2020
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The horse has bolted - but the awkward thing is that nobody knows when. Coronavirus traces were found in sewage water samples from Barcelona dated as early as March 2019. The first cases in many European countries are now winded back to the autumn of 2019. Lots of unexplained pneumonia cases in Q4 2019. Lots of people with flu-like symptoms over the winter, complaining that it was a weird flu that made them lose their smell and taste. Chances are, it was already in Europe long before it was diagnosed in Wuhan. That's not me fantasising, a number of independent and credible sources make such claims. The bloody thing slipped under the radar during a time with lots of seasonal infections - and by the time lockdown was enforced it was already widespread enough to cause thousands of cases per day weeks after the start of lockdown.
On a mature reflection, what could have been done better? Suspension of all flights from China as early as 1 January might have not helped at all if the virus was already among the European population. Suspension of intra-EU links and lockdown due to someone with unexplained pneumonia somewhere also sounds rather surreal. No politician would have taken responsibility for that. So, we just went about with life until the little lizard became a fire-breathing dragon. No border closure will help much now as it is everywhere - and cases can't always be clearly linked to one another. So, put on those masks, keep your distance, avoid crowds, do the shopping for your oldies whenever possible and try to survive. Not much else left.
On a mature reflection, what could have been done better? Suspension of all flights from China as early as 1 January might have not helped at all if the virus was already among the European population. Suspension of intra-EU links and lockdown due to someone with unexplained pneumonia somewhere also sounds rather surreal. No politician would have taken responsibility for that. So, we just went about with life until the little lizard became a fire-breathing dragon. No border closure will help much now as it is everywhere - and cases can't always be clearly linked to one another. So, put on those masks, keep your distance, avoid crowds, do the shopping for your oldies whenever possible and try to survive. Not much else left.
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Not that up to date as El Pais has been crunching numbers and estimates that recorded deaths have been under reported by up to 60%.
https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-07-...en-espana.html
https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-07-...en-espana.html
Every country calculates their deaths contributed to Covid19 differently, look at Germany, that officially has a very low death rate, but that is only because it calculates only deaths that are purely due to Covid , whereas Belgium for example calculates every death even suspected of being connected or facilitated to /by Covid.
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Funny. No one has mentioned SWEDEN in all of this thread! (I know it's about quarantine in the UK coming from Spain but as everywhere else is being mentioned
) They seem to have got it right.................
) They seem to have got it right................. Not that up to date as El Pais has been crunching numbers and estimates that recorded deaths have been under reported by up to 60%.
https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-07-...en-espana.html
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ssshh. No one is allowed to mention Sweden. After the hysteria of no lockdown who wants to be reminded of their common sense approach.
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Recent research from South Korea has indicated that most cases of contagion happen in people's homes, when there is an infected family member who infects those living with him/her, often unknowingly. So, lock up nice and tight and hope for safety... Of course, unless you live alone in a hut in the middle of nowhere.
On the original topic - TUI seem to have resumed flights to the Canaries and the Balearics with the explanation that there are holidaymakers who are happy to spend 14 days in quarantine for the sake of getting away (presumably those who either work from home or don't work at all). However, how does this correspond with the recent change in travel advice which now also encompasses the islands? Or do they know something which we don't?
On the original topic - TUI seem to have resumed flights to the Canaries and the Balearics with the explanation that there are holidaymakers who are happy to spend 14 days in quarantine for the sake of getting away (presumably those who either work from home or don't work at all). However, how does this correspond with the recent change in travel advice which now also encompasses the islands? Or do they know something which we don't?
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Why do you feel Sweden got it right? Double the population of Norway but 20 times the death rate, and 10 times that of Denmark. Now shun by everybody. None has declared all of Sweden a green zone for travel. At the most some neighbouring countries have declared a few limited areas ok because their own population want to go there. They chose a different approach and now they have to suffer for it by being a pariah. Besides Sweden has a voluntarily lockdown and distancing regime and most of the people is abiding by it. Don't think the over 40's there are going about their life as normal.
Recent research from South Korea has indicated that most cases of contagion happen in people's homes, when there is an infected family member who infects those living with him/her, often unknowingly. So, lock up nice and tight and hope for safety... Of course, unless you live alone in a hut in the middle of nowhere.
On the original topic - TUI seem to have resumed flights to the Canaries and the Balearics with the explanation that there are holidaymakers who are happy to spend 14 days in quarantine for the sake of getting away (presumably those who either work from home or don't work at all). However, how does this correspond with the recent change in travel advice which now also encompasses the islands? Or do they know something which we don't?
On the original topic - TUI seem to have resumed flights to the Canaries and the Balearics with the explanation that there are holidaymakers who are happy to spend 14 days in quarantine for the sake of getting away (presumably those who either work from home or don't work at all). However, how does this correspond with the recent change in travel advice which now also encompasses the islands? Or do they know something which we don't?
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True that, no denial. But is it just your individual insurance? Does the tour operator not have any duty of care towards its customers, requiring it not to take them to places labelled as high-risk ones?
As an aside, I have seen no evidence to suggest that places like Lanzarote or Mallorca are high risk. You could argue that buses and trains should not be allowed to enter Oldham, as that is more of a high risk area than the Spanish islands.
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No idea, maybe UK Gov can track with the (PNR) Passenger name record if you've flown in the last 2 weeks to a country excluded from the list which does not qualify for the quarantine exemption.
There is no evidence they have tracked anyone - no-one is interested and unless you write in "mickey Mouse" or " Buckingham Place" no-one cares what you write in
I read today there is an insurance company which will insure you, after all you’re not flying into a war zone. No idea what premiums and level of cover but when there’s a will! One wonders if this is a trend, people making their own risk assessment.
"battleface" will cover medical expenses, but not costs due to isolation, delayed flights, extra hotel costs etc.
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If there's an opportunity to offer a product which nobody else offers, then it might as well be a smart move for said insurance company. Just check on the prices and, maybe even more importantly, read the small print. What's involved in the policy and what's not? It can easily be "medical expenses except COVID-19" or "repatriation costs except in case of a COVID-19 lockdown".
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Why do you feel Sweden got it right? Double the population of Norway but 20 times the death rate, and 10 times that of Denmark. Now shun by everybody. None has declared all of Sweden a green zone for travel. At the most some neighbouring countries have declared a few limited areas ok because their own population want to go there. They chose a different approach and now they have to suffer for it by being a pariah. Besides Sweden has a voluntarily lockdown and distancing regime and most of the people is abiding by it. Don't think the over 40's there are going about their life as normal.
Sweden’s approach saved neither people’s lives nor the economy. More people have died than in other Nordic countries and the country is heading into an identical recession - perhaps worse given Norway, Denmark and Finland have all imposed border controls which are only now starting to be loosened.
If the intention was to achieve herd immunity (aka herd thinning) it hasn’t worked either. Recent studies estimate that only 10-20% of Stockholmers have developed antibodies, and there is still no scientific proof that these either survive long enough or are capable of fighting off the infection for a second time.
