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Old 30th Jul 2020, 08:14
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If the intention was to achieve herd immunity (aka herd thinning) it hasnít worked either. Recent studies estimate that only 10-20% of Stockholmers have developed antibodies, and there is still no scientific proof that these either survive long enough or are capable of fighting off the infection for a second time.
Just read that the first German with COVID19 lost his antibodies 4 months after having recovered from that illness. So much for herd immunity....
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 08:15
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Arriving to where? The center of the universe USA?
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 10:26
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What about connection flights? Iím supposed to go to turkey via LGW from Spain...
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 11:11
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What about connection flights? Iím supposed to go to turkey via LGW from Spain...
You are perfectly at liberty to leave the UK before your 14 days is up, provided obviously that your destination will accept you.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 12:36
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Originally Posted by yellowsystem
What about connection flights? Iím supposed to go to turkey via LGW from Spain...
so you are flying from a high Covid infected area to the U.K. potentially spreading to all on board and in the airport and then flying to Turkey which is another high Covid infected nation. That all makes sense. Besides, why would you go to Turkey? Are you not aware of the severe human rights abuses going on in the nation or is a holiday more important? Are you aware that Turkey is threatening Greece with war?
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 13:08
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What about connection flights? I’m supposed to go to turkey via LGW from Spain..
The general thoughts are that if you are a Transit Pax and stay airside there is no need to self isolate, of course when you get to Turkey you will have a temp test and have to fill in forms, what they do with you is anyones guess!
If you leave the airside and go groundside, that's where it becomes tricky, but I think most staff will be reasonable if the travel is out on the same day within a few hours. lets face it the damage is already done.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 17:35
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"so you are flying from a high Covid infected area to the U.K."

much of Spain has lower rates than much of the UK
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 18:18
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But it's all about the trends. The UK new case rate is easing up, the Spanish rate is climbing. Today there were 60 new cases per million folks in Spain, the UK 12.4. With the Spanish all going to the costas and islands and the young seemingly not giving dos hoots (this week has seen an average of 14 flights BCN-PMI) the change to quarantine looks prudent.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 18:37
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Originally Posted by Kirks gusset
If you leave the airside and go groundside, that's where it becomes tricky, but I think most staff will be reasonable if the travel is out on the same day within a few hours
It's nothing to do with whether staff are being reasonable or not - there is no prohibition on leaving the UK while you're self-isolating.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 19:17
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
It's nothing to do with whether staff are being reasonable or not - there is no prohibition on leaving the UK while you're self-isolating.
Your take on this is that you travel to UK and self Isolate somewhere else? or ,magically travel abroad without seeing or being near anyone else.. no doubt you have a link to the rules so we may understand the confusion?

When you arrive in the UK, you will not be allowed to leave the place where you’re staying for the first 14 days you’re in the UK (known as ‘self-isolating’) unless you’re arriving from an exempt country.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 19:21
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If I fly (for example) from Madrid to the UK, I am required to go straight from the airport to my home and then stay at home for 2 weeks apart from a few exceptions - funeral, court, medical need or buy food if I can't get a delivery from Tesco or a friend to help. Anything else and I'm liable for a £1000 fine if PC Plod decides I'm not self isolating without good reason

How exactly does taking a plane to France in that 2 week period count as self isolating or having good reason ? I'm not trying to argue the merits of the idea of self isolation - more that I don't see how a period of self isolation is compatible with leaving the country in the middle of the 14 days
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 21:05
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Anti bodies gone after 4 months. New research shows T cells, which is another way we fight off viruses such as the common cold are very effective against Covid. Sars survivors had T cells that recognise the virus and similar coronavirus 17 years after their infection.

I voted for this government but they seem to be fixated on Covid deaths (Even those who were hit by a bus) and nothing else.

Actually thatís not true, they are very keen on getting us all cycling.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 22:29
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Anti bodies gone after 4 months. New research shows T cells, which is another way we fight off viruses such as the common cold are very effective against Covid. Sars survivors had T cells that recognise the virus and similar coronavirus 17 years after their infection.

I voted for this government but they seem to be fixated on Covid deaths (Even those who were hit by a bus) and nothing else.

Actually thatís not true, they are very keen on getting us all cycling.
And now they are telling people in NW England that they cannot socialise in other people's houses, but are keeping pubs and restaurants open.
I mean, really, does Hancock have a clue?
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 22:45
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
If I fly (for example) from Madrid to the UK, I am required to go straight from the airport to my home and then stay at home for 2 weeks apart from a few exceptions - funeral, court, medical need or buy food if I can't get a delivery from Tesco or a friend to help. Anything else and I'm liable for a £1000 fine if PC Plod decides I'm not self isolating without good reason

How exactly does taking a plane to France in that 2 week period count as self isolating or having good reason ? I'm not trying to argue the merits of the idea of self isolation - more that I don't see how a period of self isolation is compatible with leaving the country in the middle of the 14 days
The logic is that once you cross the border you become someone else's problem. The self-isolation is meant to "protect" the population of the UK, not that of France.

Why am I saying "protect"? Because, the way it currently is, self-isolation is a joke. You are "quarantined", but nonetheless you can go shopping? Then what's the chance that someone will not use that as an excuse to go wherever they wish and, if stopped by the police, explain that they were going to the Tesco further down the road because the one closest to their home doesn't sell whatever food they want today? Now, obviously, if they catch you sunbathing in the park this excuse won't work - but if you're just walking in the street it's pretty hard to prove that you weren't going to the shop indeed. In other countries being quarantined means being completely banned from leaving your home, no matter the reason. Even going across the street to throw away the rubbish can get you arrested. If you need medical help, you call an ambulance and they come to transport you, treating you in the exact same way as a confirmed COVID-19 case. End of story.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 23:22
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Originally Posted by wowzz
And now they are telling people in NW England that they cannot socialise in other people's houses, but are keeping pubs and restaurants open.
I mean, really, does Hancock have a clue?
Actually, he does, or at least his advisors do. The spikes are happening almost exclusively within family units from certain backgrounds - the likes of which are unlikely to be seen visiting pubs. I believe itís the Eid celebrations starting, you should be able to figure out the reasoning and the timing from that.
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Old 31st Jul 2020, 04:50
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Originally Posted by wowzz
And now they are telling people in NW England that they cannot socialise in other people's houses, but are keeping pubs and restaurants open.
I mean, really, does Hancock have a clue?
The issue centres on the Muslim communities who don’t go to pubs and don’t normally go to restaurants.

Meanwhile, with people saying they feel more safe abroad I just love this confession from a holidaymaker quoted by the BBC.

They've even taken a mini-break from social distancing. Ben, 39, and his wife Nadia, 37, decided they wouldn't be too strict on their children adhering to Italy's one-metre rule during the 11-day holiday, so they have mixed with other young families staying in the complex.

"If someone had plonked us here and we didn't know about coronavirus, we wouldn't know the difference. You honestly wouldn't know that there's a pandemic."
So who needs protecting more, the British in holiday mode or the locals? It is inevitable that with Brits feeling safe their guard drops. The Government has to factor in British mixing with the British while abroad.

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Old 31st Jul 2020, 05:48
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Originally Posted by LTNman
The issue centres on the Muslim communities who donít go to pubs and donít normally go to restaurants.

Meanwhile, with people saying they feel more safe abroad I just love this confession from a holidaymaker quoted by the BBC.

So who needs protecting more, the British in holiday mode or the locals? It is inevitable that with Brits feeling safe their guard drops. The Government has to factor in British mixing with the British while abroad.
Does it centre in Muslim communities? Any evidence of that? And any evidence Muslims ďdonít go to restaurantsĒ? They might not go to the restaurants you go to but I can assure you they go to them. Iíve seen multiple breaches of rules/guidance/lockdown and guess what, almost all have been by ďwhite BritishĒ.

And if Eid really is the reason, why does this lockdown apply to the north and not to Birmingham or various areas of London?
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Old 31st Jul 2020, 07:33
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Does it centre in Muslim communities?
It does in Luton where the Council published a list of post codes.

Someone made a good point on TV why pubs are exempt, which is because that is a controlled environment with social distancing protocols in place.
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Old 31st Jul 2020, 07:42
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Originally Posted by LTNman
It does in Luton where the Council published a list of post codes.
So let me get this right, it does in Luton based on a list of postcodes so therefore it does across the whole of Greater Manchester along with various relatively nearby areas? Please tell me how you arrived at that conclusion
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Old 31st Jul 2020, 07:43
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Originally Posted by PilotLZ
The logic is that once you cross the border you become someone else's problem. The self-isolation is meant to "protect" the population of the UK, not that of France.
Exactly.

There's a plain man's guide to the rules here: How the rules requiring 14 days of self-isolation for arrivals to Britain work, but here's the relevant extract:

Is there any way to shorten the two weeks in self-isolation?

The only way legally to end the 14 days of quarantine is to leave the country again.

You could, for example, go on a city break to Rome, return for a few days of self-isolation, then take a holiday to Portugal, Croatia or another destination that is welcoming British travellers.

You would need to begin a fresh round of two weeks of quarantine on your return.
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