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Quarantine if you arrive from Spain from midnight 25/7/2020

Old 26th Jul 2020, 06:53
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Originally Posted by LGW Vulture View Post
Spain is not suffering. Take off your media goggles. There are areas where there is a spike, this is being dealt with to prevent further spread. Isolated areas do not constitute a whole country - we here didn't call out the UK when Leicester was locked down.
Very good example. Why quarantine people coming from the areas which are exempt from the FCO advice against non-essential travel? There is probably a sound reason behind said exemption, namely that the situation there is a long way better than in Catalonia, Aragon or the other affected mainland areas. Tour operators and airlines should demand clarification on this matter.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 06:58
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Worth looking again at the map on post 8 which is Spanish and not sourced from the U.K.. Infections are increasing fast and are no longer stabilised. There is a lag from infection to showing symptoms and getting tested.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 07:05
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Worth looking again at the map on post 8 which is Spanish and not sourced from the U.K.. Infections are increasing fast and are no longer stabilised. There is a lag from infection to showing symptoms and getting tested.
According to news they have about 280 clusters reported alone at the moment; although do think the Balearics and Canaries should be exempt at the moment at least.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 07:13
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Absolute bullcrap.

There are some areas in Spain where there are high increases, mainly due to some very high cluster cases, but almost ALL of them in Aragon and Catalonia.
The Generalidad Valencia for example has sen only a slight increase in caseload, and measures have been taken immediately.

his is again another imbecile UK reaction. They should better look at their own people not adhering to the laws in Spain and in the UK itself.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 07:20
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his is again another imbecile UK reaction. They should better look at their own people not adhering to the laws in Spain and in the UK itself.
Isn't it easy to snipe from the sidelines when you have no responsibility? How does the UK govt control it citizens in Spain? Stop them travelling?
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 07:26
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No doubt the same suspects here would be the first to criticise the government if their reaction was slow. Maybe the government has been watching a few YouTube clips and have been proactive.


With a partial restriction no doubt the BBC would be sending a news team to the hidden line saying this side is deemed safe by the U.K. government and this side requires quarantine, while everyone switches airports.

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Old 26th Jul 2020, 08:07
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All for a virus which appears to have an overall survivability rate of better then 99.7%.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 08:13
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The government is damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Over face masks they got a kicking for delaying their introduction; now they're getting a kicking for acting swiftly. The media, and the people, can't have it both ways.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 08:17
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Lets just hope a vaccine comes sooner rather than later as this is going to be the new norm otherwise there will be no tourist industry left to save.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 08:17
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lear999wa.......agreed. Our response can’t be the same as it has been otherwise we will destroy the very fabric of society and our economy. We should fear poverty and social breakdown more. A far more sensible balanced approach is needed.

Does anyone else feel like the uk government has no leader, just lots of politicians shouting out off the cuff policies without even talking to each other first?
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 08:31
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lear999wa.......agreed. Our response canít be the same as it has been otherwise we will destroy the very fabric of society and our economy. We should fear poverty and social breakdown more. A far more sensible balanced approach is needed.
You're totally right. It's very superficial to think that "it's only tourism, hospitality and airlines taking the hit". When 20% of all people in a country don't have jobs any longer, two things happen. First, the state has to spend loads of money providing some form of unemployment benefits to them - and the state money is not unlimited, especially in times of reduced budget income from taxes. Second, those people severely cut back on their discretional spending. It's not just that they don't go on holidays. They also refrain from buying clothes, gadgets, going to the cinema or eating out - not to mention that unemployed people don't normally buy cars or buy and furnish homes. This results in a massive decline for many industries, eventually leading to further bankruptcies and job losses. And the spiral keeps going down. Does a country in such a dire predicament have the resources to also ramp up its health care system? I think not. So, the economic crisis has the potential of also deepening the health care one. Hence, blanket bans shall not be a thing if we are to come out of this as a functional society with minimal losses.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 08:42
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
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The government is damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Over face masks they got a kicking for delaying their introduction; now they're getting a kicking for acting swiftly. The media, and the people, can't have it both ways.
Totally agree with you ATNotts
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 09:12
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
Does anyone else feel like the uk government has no leader, just lots of politicians shouting out off the cuff policies without even talking to each other first?
I have some sympathy for the government in this unprecedented situation (since 1918/19 anyway), but I agree that the standard of leadership has been poor. I wonder if the PM is fully recovered from the virus and his eminence grise Dominic Cummings is, at best, eccentric. Whilst some Cabinet ministers have performed well others have been lamentable. The failure to address the crisis facing the aviation sector of the UK has been alarming compared with the actions of other countries such as the USA ($25 billion), Germany (9 billion Euros), France (15 billion Euros) and Italy.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 09:42
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I think what I find most disappointing is the governments blanket approach to Spain. Most of the Canaries and Balearics have very low incidents of Covid-19. So why lump them in with the rest of Spain? I understand that you can travel to Palma from Barcelona and then travel to the UK, but that the same for Barcelona via anywhere in Europe. Youíre relying on people being sensible and following the rules, because they are pretty much unenforceable. And if thats the case, you can be very nuanced in how you approach travel bans.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 10:02
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I think one of the contributing factors is that the whole of Spain will go on holiday this week. Having lived there for 4 years the right to spend August on the beach is almost a Spanish human right. Madrid will empty this week as they head in all directions of the compass to the beach. It would not surprise me if Spain sees a massive surge next week.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 10:05
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Utter insanity. Devastating airline and ancillary industries. No thought, logic or common sense. At least why canít the Balearics and Canaries be exempt? We canít continue to lockdown indefinitely because it is unaffordable. Take suitable precautions, donít balloon to 20 stone, wash your hands and get on with life using sensible risk management. Hopeless uk governance.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 10:08
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Originally Posted by olster View Post
Utter insanity. Devastating airline and ancillary industries. No thought, logic or common sense. At least why canít the Balearics and Canaries be exempt? We canít continue to lockdown indefinitely because it is unaffordable. Take suitable precautions, donít balloon to 20 stone, wash your hands and get on with life using sensible risk management. Hopeless uk governance.
Spot on! This virus will be here for decades, and will become endemic in the human population. The sooner we learn to live with it, the better.
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 10:12
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Why should the UK government join other countries in actively financially supporting its air transport sector? Just look at the economics of this. The air transport industry, including airlines and its supply chain, are estimated to support US $86 billion of GDP in the United Kingdom. Spending by foreign tourists supports a further US $34 billion of the country’s GDP, amounting to 4.5% of the annual GDP of the UK. Enough said.

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Old 26th Jul 2020, 10:17
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Originally Posted by olster View Post
Utter insanity. Devastating airline and ancillary industries. No thought, logic or common sense. At least why canít the Balearics and Canaries be exempt? We canít continue to lockdown indefinitely because it is unaffordable. Take suitable precautions, donít balloon to 20 stone, wash your hands and get on with life using sensible risk management. Hopeless uk governance.

Idiot Govt thinking............... Canary Islands is Spain so lock it down, infections rising in Catalonia so must be close as it is also Spain. It is the equivalent for locking down Shetland Islands because there has been a huge spike in cases in Newquay
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Old 26th Jul 2020, 10:21
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If the quarantine rule was to be applied to all of Turkey because of an outbreak in Ankara, would people about to travel to Spain be complaining so much ?
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