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Old 16th Jan 2021, 23:54
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Domestic tourism works a little differently to how foreign tourists behave. A person from outside Europe will be very keen to spend quite a bit of time in London and the likes of Oxford/Cambridge, York, Bath, Stratford-upon-Avon and Edinburgh... and spend heavily on accommodation and restaurants in these places. Conversely, Brits on holiday within the UK tend more towards Devon/Cornwall, north Wales, Cumbria, etc... one tends not to see many people from Birmingham choosing to spend heavily on several nights in an expensive hotel in central London when it's only 1h30 by train. Furthermore, the accommodation available in the likes of Devon/Cornwall is already geared for high occupancy in the summer in a normal year.... it cannot readily absorb millions more people in school holidays and not many Brits want to visit Devon in October when there is space

It's a nice idea to encourage Brits to stay in the UK for their summer hols but the jobs and hospitality industry buildings cannot be readily moved to new locations in a hurry

There may well be a need to allow tourists in the UK, just to ensure that London's hospitality trade sees some revenue - and that means easing the "PCR test in advance and 10 days quarantine on arrival" requirement

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Old 17th Jan 2021, 03:42
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Have you ever been to Edinburgh in August?
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 04:28
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No it will eventually reopen but not necessarily when the U.K. population is vaccinated as all that good work could be undone if a new rouge strain was brought into the U.K. Most countries in the world will have not even started vaccination programmes come summer and Europe could take until the Autumn to finish. Then there is the issue of those countries like France where only just over half the population said they will take the vaccine so their infection rate will probably still be high. The question then becomes do we want unvaccinated French walking the streets of the U.K. infecting unvaccinated British who have also refused vaccinations?

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Old 17th Jan 2021, 04:38
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Yesterday I just booked a holiday in England at the start of the summer holidays and will book another for the end of the summer holidays today.

Maybe the question should be how many people will take a chance booking an independent foreign holiday after what happened last year? Package holidays are reported to be a 7th more expensive so that will kill the demand together with incomes being decimated since the pandemic.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 06:59
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A financial support scheme for airports in England will open this month, the government says, as the aviation sector faces new Covid travel curbs. Aviation minister Robert Courts said the move was a response to the closure of all UK air corridors from Monday. The aim is to provide grants before the end of this financial year, he said.

In a tweet, Mr Courts said the Airport and Ground Operations Support Scheme "will help airports reduce their costs" and that further details would follow soon. The scheme had first been announced in November, but without a set start date. It will involve grants of up to £8m per applicant, to be used to cover fixed costs, such as business rates.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55692486
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 07:18
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It looks increasingly likely that the U.K. government are going to implement enforced hotel quarantine, as is done in many other parts of the world. Without specific financial aid that will be game over for most airlines. I just can’t see where this is all going to end for our industry. It was the first industry to be effected by COVID (with border closures), and it’ll be the last to emerge, whenever that may be....!
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 08:09
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The airline industry might have a future similar to the coal mining industry and just end up being a shadow of its former self. It was becoming unsustainable anyway and the Paris accord is not going to help so the industry was due for a rebalance anyway even before Covid. It is all a matter of degree.

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Old 17th Jan 2021, 08:30
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LTNman... why are you hanging around in a professional pilots forum? You seem to be taking great pleasure in announcing what you believe will be the end of most of our careers.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 08:34
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If having a holiday in the British Isle this year is the safest way, then there are plenty of routes which can be used by air to do this. The weather in Jersey and the south west is generally quite good in summer and the uptake in flights should grow if anything like last year is to go by.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 08:39
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Originally Posted by GA F15
It looks increasingly likely that the U.K. government are going to implement enforced hotel quarantine
Any source for that statement?
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 08:54
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...ains-qgl5q3dkk

Several other articles in today’s papers. Might not happen, but the press have generally been pretty accurate at giving a ‘heads up’ on the latest covid merry-go-round changes, before the official government announcement.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 12:19
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SOP of this Government is to drip feed stuff to the press, see what reaction there is- then proceed on the hoof. A bit like the pre testing on arrivals, then forgetting to set a specific date, then forgetting to add the specific test(s) acceptable. All in all, the usual Capt. Mainwaring approach.

On the jabs, for European destinations- it'll be overseas countries that'll decide if tourists are welcome or not- regardless what the UK says. As for the long haul, there isn't a cat in hell that Asian countries are going to be welcoming Brits anytime soon- jabbed or not.
(Kind of makes the Ryanair Jab & go Ads rather silly)
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 17:52
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You are right to say that the host country will decide whether to welcome tourists or not. I understand that 80% of the Japanese people are against the Olympics taking place this summer and we’re only talking about the influx of athletes and officials.

Are we happy to welcome 10’s of 1000’s to our shores for the football this summer?
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 18:59
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More people travel to UK to watch football over the course of a season that will travel to Euro21 in UK, assumming it stays on current basis. An Irish journalist did a survey and for UK teams there were 15-20,000 season ticket holders based in Ireland. This wasn't counting across EU where reckoning was another 2,000. Adding in the people who go to odd match and reckoning that just between 500,000 to 750,000 of attendance of Uk Premiership games are from abroad across a season. This not taking into account Scottish premier league or lower leagues.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 19:02
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Not an unrealistic view but as most airports are foreign owned then no need for UK Govt to do anything. Maybe pick up pieces at the end.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 19:33
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As in nationalise them! Airports are national infrastructure assets and should never have been privatised in the first place.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 19:38
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Domestic tourism En-masse doesn't work in the UK. The resort of my town in the UK was swamped well beyond any reasonable capacity for the August bank holiday 2020. Nobody will take that kind of vacation again by choice.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 19:41
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While tempting to let the airport owners go bankrupt and then nationalise, UK plc will likely see pain if airport operating companies go bust. We need the national infrastructure to remain operational, or capable of being reactivated at very short notice. Letting *all* the fire crews and ATC bods receive P45s before HM Govt steps in is unlikely to end well. An ATC person is worth far more to the UK than a barman in a pub
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 20:21
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UK taxpayer happy to have the benefits of the sale of BAA, of course BAA was never a monopoly until the day after it was sold to Ferrovial.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 20:23
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Let them go bust and then Tupe across the personnel while walking away from the debts. Do not be surprised if there is a train of Govt thought that would be happy to do this.
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