Coronavirus Impact on Air Travel
Vokes55
Or with the aircraft operating, the passengers maybe didn’t want to lose £1000s in costs? And with only few insurers wanting to cover COVID losses, no recourse there. What are you expecting these people to do?
Or with the aircraft operating, the passengers maybe didn’t want to lose £1000s in costs? And with only few insurers wanting to cover COVID losses, no recourse there. What are you expecting these people to do?
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Well if COVID and flying was as dangerous as many contributors to this thread are making out, I’d expect them to cancel to save their lives....
But no, I’m not buying it. BA Holidays and BA allow people to amend their travel dates, Tier 4 was announced 3 days in advance which is enough time for the majority of accommodation bookings to be amended/cancelled without a fee these days, and with the FCDO still advising against travel to Mexico, one would imagine those on this flight would’ve specifically chosen insurance that does cover them - or are so nonchalant about the whole thing they knew they’d be going regardless.
304 passengers on yesterday’s LGW-CUN so no anomaly either.
But no, I’m not buying it. BA Holidays and BA allow people to amend their travel dates, Tier 4 was announced 3 days in advance which is enough time for the majority of accommodation bookings to be amended/cancelled without a fee these days, and with the FCDO still advising against travel to Mexico, one would imagine those on this flight would’ve specifically chosen insurance that does cover them - or are so nonchalant about the whole thing they knew they’d be going regardless.
304 passengers on yesterday’s LGW-CUN so no anomaly either.
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But I’m talking specifically about a flight that went on the 26th December, from an airport that entered Tier 4 on that day along with half of its remaining catchment area.
But you’re quite right to point out that a certain percentage of passengers on this flight would’ve had six days from entering Tier 4 to amend their bookings, not just the three.
But you’re quite right to point out that a certain percentage of passengers on this flight would’ve had six days from entering Tier 4 to amend their bookings, not just the three.
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But even using the reported stats it is a death rate of circa 2%. Break it down even further and if travellers were sub 50 in age with 2 kids and no undelying conditions then death rate is tiny.
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304 passengers on yesterday’s LGW-CUN so no anomaly either.
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70%. The more people who catch it the more people who die. Not rocket science is it. Also shows how ineffective pre travel checks and tests are as the new variant pops up all over the world. Never mind, all worthwhile for a few days in the sun
Actually I agree with Racedo; clever advertising ploy has been used by the government propaganda machine here. You will have heard the same technique used when, for example, advertising toothpaste - "Acme toothpaste reduces cavities by up to 50%". That actually means that it could reduce fillings but not by more than 50%. It could reduce them by virtually nothing - say 0.000001% and it would be a lie. One thing is for sure the ploy as been proven to work, since the media quite readily parrot out the 70% without the "up to" readily, and if something is repeated often enough people will believe it.
At the same time I also agree that travel, any travel, domestic or overseas is probably not sensible at this time for a myriad reasons. Leave it until March / April and things should be better.
At the same time I also agree that travel, any travel, domestic or overseas is probably not sensible at this time for a myriad reasons. Leave it until March / April and things should be better.
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I believe that with more data the new variant is between 50 and 60% more transmissible. Still more than enough for it to cause a major spike in new cases which will result (about two weeks later ) in a major spike in hospital admissions. And an increase in the number of people unwell for several weeks (long Covid19 ) .
In every country the strategy has been to keep the number of hospital admissions down to a level with which their health system can cope and the latest variant threatens that.
I hope that the Mexican authorities quarantine all these pax in their hotel rooms. With those numbers it is almost certain that a few will have been incubating the disease when they left and if they are allowed to mingle the whole resort could become infected.
In every country the strategy has been to keep the number of hospital admissions down to a level with which their health system can cope and the latest variant threatens that.
I hope that the Mexican authorities quarantine all these pax in their hotel rooms. With those numbers it is almost certain that a few will have been incubating the disease when they left and if they are allowed to mingle the whole resort could become infected.
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Which ones ? These the Danish ones who tested effectiveness of mask wearing and proved it made no difference but media refuse to reference their study............... they scientists as well.
Believing a figure which comes from scientists is all fine and good BUT it was Govt who announded the findings, it produced very little data to back up the claim, little data to prove the deadliness of of and basically blew smoke which the media lapped up.
Which ones ? These the Danish ones who tested effectiveness of mask wearing and proved it made no difference but media refuse to reference their study............... they scientists as well.
Believing a figure which comes from scientists is all fine and good BUT it was Govt who announded the findings, it produced very little data to back up the claim, little data to prove the deadliness of of and basically blew smoke which the media lapped up.
You mean the Danish trial that produced inconclusive results on the benefits of mask wearing to the wearer, and didn't concern itself at all about any wider benefits to those that the mask wearer comes into contact with?
But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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If US holidaymakers are still travelling without restriction to Cancun, then to me going there from UK at the moment is doubly foolhardy, and that's before you even start on those asymptomatic carriers from UK.
If US holidaymakers are still travelling without restriction to Cancun, then to me going there from UK at the moment is doubly foolhardy, and that's before you even start on those asymptomatic carriers from UK.
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Do you have another explanation for the fact that the new variant has become dominant, ie has out-competed the other variants?
It's my belief that the act of wearing or not wearing a mask is associated with other behaviours. Together these affect the chances of an individual spreading their infection or catching it from someone else. It's clear that those countries where mask wearing has been normal since previous viruses like MERS have lower spread.
It's my belief that the act of wearing or not wearing a mask is associated with other behaviours. Together these affect the chances of an individual spreading their infection or catching it from someone else. It's clear that those countries where mask wearing has been normal since previous viruses like MERS have lower spread.
FACT:
NERVTAG (New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group) reported on 18th December 2020 that the new COVID - 19 variant (B.1.1.7) had been sequenced early in October, but was only discovered to to be important in December. It's greater rate of transmission than the previous variants, with a 95% confidence interval, was between 67% and 75%.
Perhaps those doubting this fact would care to substantiate their contrary claims, but I'll behave appropriately on the basis of the NERTAG figures.
NERVTAG (New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group) reported on 18th December 2020 that the new COVID - 19 variant (B.1.1.7) had been sequenced early in October, but was only discovered to to be important in December. It's greater rate of transmission than the previous variants, with a 95% confidence interval, was between 67% and 75%.
Perhaps those doubting this fact would care to substantiate their contrary claims, but I'll behave appropriately on the basis of the NERTAG figures.
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I would also take any increasing death figures in this country with a pinch of salt, with the UK deciding to record deaths for any reason within 28 days of a positive test. More people die in the Winter, always have and always will. So if a certain percentage of the population have COVID, and more people die in December than June, more people are going to be recorded as having died *from* COVID. I'm not saying the number of people dying from COVID hasn't increased, but the figures will certainly be inflated by the natural increase in deaths that happens at this time of year.
Given that the number of positive cases per population is currently lower in the US than the UK and the majority of European countries, I don't understand the point of your post. If anything, that makes going to Mexico "safer" than staying in the UK
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Oh dear! As viruses become more transmissible they often become less virulent. Not always and there is no evidence that this variant is more or less virulent. (Actually it's not the deaths that are the problem. It's those in hospital for a long time and unwell for a long time after.)
And given that the US population is about 5x ours, their current case rate us at least as high as ours, assuming their data collection is as accurate as ours.
And the Antarctic cases were arose during the annual crew change at the Chilean base. Clearly the incoming crew ought to have been quarantined.
And I used to work in a Virology department.
And given that the US population is about 5x ours, their current case rate us at least as high as ours, assuming their data collection is as accurate as ours.
And the Antarctic cases were arose during the annual crew change at the Chilean base. Clearly the incoming crew ought to have been quarantined.
And I used to work in a Virology department.
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The Spanish have a cunning plan. They want to create a data base of all who refuse a Covid jab. This will be made available throughout Europe. Presumably, they would like other nations to do the same, obviously with the intent of preventing those not protected from crossing borders.