Coronavirus Impact on Air Travel
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At the time of lock down 28000 people a day were flying into the UK from Spain alone.
And genetic analysis shows that our epidemic was seeded over 1300 times. There was no chance to institute quarantine.
And genetic analysis shows that our epidemic was seeded over 1300 times. There was no chance to institute quarantine.
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The answer was simple, just follow what New Zealand and Australia did and are still doing right from the start. Next to no foreign travel. Any countryman that does manage to get back into the country are forced into isolation hotels at their expense for 14 days. I am sure that would go down well on this thread where many still demand a foreign holiday and see it as their right.
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You've dodged the question. What happens when they reopen their borders?
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The fact you consider me a “hard-left activist” when I generally voted for the current party of Government until 2015 and the hardest left I’d voted until that time was Lib Dems in a local election is a perfect articulation of what has gone wrong with this country.
Agree with DJ6. This is a global forum & thread yet we are side tracked into UK politics.
In addition to Australia & New Zealand, it is almost impossible to get into most East / SE Asian countries unless you have residential status there. Even then, you are looking at mandatory testing and quarantine of all passengers(positive or negative). Current time from arrival to being allowed to quarantine hotel/home in Hong Kong for instance is around 10 hours. This has been the case for many months.
These Asian countries have relatively low infection rates, low hospitalisations & low deaths. Within the communities, many places are leading almost "normal" lives. Border control has been effective and one of the major keys something European countries never got to grips with.
How long that is sustainable is anyone's guess. As for the point of population immunity- the jury is still out on that one too as to how effective that is.
I can't see any alternatives other than a combo of testing, quarantine & vaccine for the foreseeable future.
In addition to Australia & New Zealand, it is almost impossible to get into most East / SE Asian countries unless you have residential status there. Even then, you are looking at mandatory testing and quarantine of all passengers(positive or negative). Current time from arrival to being allowed to quarantine hotel/home in Hong Kong for instance is around 10 hours. This has been the case for many months.
These Asian countries have relatively low infection rates, low hospitalisations & low deaths. Within the communities, many places are leading almost "normal" lives. Border control has been effective and one of the major keys something European countries never got to grips with.
How long that is sustainable is anyone's guess. As for the point of population immunity- the jury is still out on that one too as to how effective that is.
I can't see any alternatives other than a combo of testing, quarantine & vaccine for the foreseeable future.
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New Zealand's only neighbour is Australia and after that it is a bloody long way to anywhere.Easy to isolate when it takes hours and hours to get there rather than 20 minutes in a RIB across the channel.
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You will have little choice. First in line for the jab will be front line staff working within the health sector, then I suspect other emergency service employees, then people working in the public service, then the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions and eventually, at some stage, long after any side effects have been assessed on the high priority groups, us ordinary plebs (that is the ones who actually contribute to the economy of the country) may get a look in, supposing that is, there is any left.
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JCVI produced a list of who would qualify for the vaccination. This is the provisional order.
1. Over 80 plus health & care home workers and high risk over 65
2. Over 75
3. Over 70
4. Over 65
5. High & moderate risk under 65
6. Over 60
7. Over 55
8. Over 50
9. Rest of population
The UK has ordered 100 million doses from AstraZeneca/jJenner Institute Oxford Uni so there should be enough to go around (UK population 68 million). They have also ordered 30 million form Pfizer, 60 million from Sanofi/GSK and 60 million from Novavax. Per head of population the UK has ordered more than any other country - hedging their bets that at least one vaccine will come through.
As I am not in the first 3 groups I would take the vaccine when offered as some countries may bar entry to non vaccinated visitors or you have to go into quarantine.
1. Over 80 plus health & care home workers and high risk over 65
2. Over 75
3. Over 70
4. Over 65
5. High & moderate risk under 65
6. Over 60
7. Over 55
8. Over 50
9. Rest of population
The UK has ordered 100 million doses from AstraZeneca/jJenner Institute Oxford Uni so there should be enough to go around (UK population 68 million). They have also ordered 30 million form Pfizer, 60 million from Sanofi/GSK and 60 million from Novavax. Per head of population the UK has ordered more than any other country - hedging their bets that at least one vaccine will come through.
As I am not in the first 3 groups I would take the vaccine when offered as some countries may bar entry to non vaccinated visitors or you have to go into quarantine.
JCVI produced a list of who would qualify for the vaccination. This is the provisional order.
1. Over 80 plus health & care home workers and high risk over 65
2. Over 75
3. Over 70
4. Over 65
5. High & moderate risk under 65
6. Over 60
7. Over 55
8. Over 50
9. Rest of population
The UK has ordered 100 million doses from AstraZeneca/jJenner Institute Oxford Uni so there should be enough to go around (UK population 68 million). They have also ordered 30 million form Pfizer, 60 million from Sanofi/GSK and 60 million from Novavax. Per head of population the UK has ordered more than any other country - hedging their bets that at least one vaccine will come through.
As I am not in the first 3 groups I would take the vaccine when offered as some countries may bar entry to non vaccinated visitors or you have to go into quarantine.
1. Over 80 plus health & care home workers and high risk over 65
2. Over 75
3. Over 70
4. Over 65
5. High & moderate risk under 65
6. Over 60
7. Over 55
8. Over 50
9. Rest of population
The UK has ordered 100 million doses from AstraZeneca/jJenner Institute Oxford Uni so there should be enough to go around (UK population 68 million). They have also ordered 30 million form Pfizer, 60 million from Sanofi/GSK and 60 million from Novavax. Per head of population the UK has ordered more than any other country - hedging their bets that at least one vaccine will come through.
As I am not in the first 3 groups I would take the vaccine when offered as some countries may bar entry to non vaccinated visitors or you have to go into quarantine.
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If as I expect that 2021 is another bad year then many airports may need to be taken into state ownership.
Maybe call it British Airports Authority or something like that
Medium term issue is paying the employees and ability to pay down debt.................... neither of which is likely in the medium term.