Coronavirus Impact on Air Travel
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The governments mistake was not introducing quarantine months earlier.
The airlines and airports are not helping themselves by not enforcing social distancing measures so I don't see why the Government should give them any slack. Airlines like Wizz and Ryanair don't give a monkeys about spreading the virus so long as they can achieve a full flight.
Wizz BS advert
Wizz reality at Luton with double queuing and requiring passengers to be at the gate 40 minutes before departure.
More Wizz BS showing plenty of empty seats.
More reality from LTN with masks off when Wizz sell food and drinks to make money.
The airlines and airports are not helping themselves by not enforcing social distancing measures so I don't see why the Government should give them any slack. Airlines like Wizz and Ryanair don't give a monkeys about spreading the virus so long as they can achieve a full flight.
Wizz BS advert
Wizz reality at Luton with double queuing and requiring passengers to be at the gate 40 minutes before departure.
More Wizz BS showing plenty of empty seats.
More reality from LTN with masks off when Wizz sell food and drinks to make money.
May I suggest those at risk or extremely worried isolate forever more and leave others to get on with their life and take the risk. This has been going on now for a good 10 months and we can’t playing the game that the government are playing.
Boris was too late to take any action which prompted a complete lock down and crippled industries. It is entirely on his shoulders.
Furthermore the concern at the start was the impact on the NHS. Well since then numerous hospitals have been built and staff recalled to assist where needed, and PPE apparently sourced (subject to differing opinions). Surely the concerns are alleviated a bit in this respect and therefore we can go on with our daily life albeit taking some precautions that don’t exist in the pre-Covid world even if they cannot apply 100% of the time?
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In Madeira it is a requirement to wear masks everywhere except when eating
The island has no cases because everyone is tested on entry, for free My test was done at 1630 with the result texted to me at 0130 Was asked to stay in hotel until then
They have picked up a handful of positives in the last 3 months, these miscreants are housed in a government provided hotel, the island hoteliers agreed on a suitable venue which they provided
The airport has a capacity of 200 tests Per hour, It would be a major operation at Lhr but there are plenty of empty hotel available.
if Boris wants to be proactive he should send a government minister out here to learn the ropes
The island has no cases because everyone is tested on entry, for free My test was done at 1630 with the result texted to me at 0130 Was asked to stay in hotel until then
They have picked up a handful of positives in the last 3 months, these miscreants are housed in a government provided hotel, the island hoteliers agreed on a suitable venue which they provided
The airport has a capacity of 200 tests Per hour, It would be a major operation at Lhr but there are plenty of empty hotel available.
if Boris wants to be proactive he should send a government minister out here to learn the ropes
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The way things are going quarantine will be widespread throughout the world.
A report on Business Traveller says that Airports Council International (ACI) World is calling on governments to consider replacing blanket quarantine requirements with “robust testing” programmes for travellers. In the UK that will probably fall on deaf ears.
A report on Business Traveller says that Airports Council International (ACI) World is calling on governments to consider replacing blanket quarantine requirements with “robust testing” programmes for travellers. In the UK that will probably fall on deaf ears.
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This whole episode is ridiculous and I suspect will largely be ignored. Boris himself said we have had great success in a recent solo press conference when he delayed ice rinks nail bars and beauty salons from opening.
He stated we have the virus infection down to 1 in 1900 of the population
So do the maths, say it’s 2000, that divides into 100,000 at 50. In other words he himself knows we are equal or not worse than most of Europe, as our deaths total proves. So he then obscures the truth by announcing the opening of the above as Q is introduced for France Holland etc. Double talk
He stated we have the virus infection down to 1 in 1900 of the population
So do the maths, say it’s 2000, that divides into 100,000 at 50. In other words he himself knows we are equal or not worse than most of Europe, as our deaths total proves. So he then obscures the truth by announcing the opening of the above as Q is introduced for France Holland etc. Double talk
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As I was at pains to point out last week the European countries infection rate published daily is the 14 day cumulative number of new cases based upon those tested not on those within the whole population that are estimated to have the disease, that surveys such as that from the ONS calculate. Unless you can find data similar to the ONS research for all other European countries you simply cannot make that comparison. I'm not supporting the way that quarantine policy is applied - far from it - but the data has to be like-for-like to mean anything.
As I was at pains to point out last week the European countries infection rate published daily is the 14 day cumulative number of new cases based upon those tested not on those within the whole population that are estimated to have the disease, that surveys such as that from the ONS calculate. Unless you can find data similar to the ONS research for all other European countries you simply cannot make that comparison. I'm not supporting the way that quarantine policy is applied - far from it - but the data has to be like-for-like to mean anything.
ECDC stats are out for today. It's already been mentioned in the press, but at 32.2 and 30.2 cases per 100,000 over the last 14 days respectively, Croatia and Czechia are on the 'at risk' list for quarantine of people arriving in the UK
Denmark is also at risk with 31.5 cases, but Denmark is already fairly strict about people arriving from the UK, so traffic between the UK and Denmark is already constrained
Denmark is also at risk with 31.5 cases, but Denmark is already fairly strict about people arriving from the UK, so traffic between the UK and Denmark is already constrained
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Coronavirus: Croatia, Greece and Turkey could join UK quarantine list amid spikes in COVID-19 cases
http://news.sky.com/story/coronaviru...cases-12050886
http://news.sky.com/story/coronaviru...cases-12050886
Coronavirus: Croatia, Greece and Turkey could join UK quarantine list amid spikes in COVID-19 cases
http://news.sky.com/story/coronaviru...cases-12050886
http://news.sky.com/story/coronaviru...cases-12050886
It really is difficult to see how the air travel industry, and perhaps even more so, the tour operating industry is expected to survive Covid-19. The latter rely on the summer revenue to pay the winter bills and make them profits; now there is next to no revenue coming in, and it looks very likely that what revenue there would be in normal times during the winter season could also be decimated.
There are very few industries that I would like to be working in at the moment from a job security perspective, and travel and tourism is right down the bottom of that list, sadly.
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Walnut
As I was at pains to point out last week the European countries infection rate published daily is the 14 day cumulative number of new cases based upon those tested not on those within the whole population that are estimated to have the disease, that surveys such as that from the ONS calculate. Unless you can find data similar to the ONS research for all other European countries you simply cannot make that comparison. I'm not supporting the way that quarantine policy is applied - far from it - but the data has to be like-for-like to mean anything.
As I was at pains to point out last week the European countries infection rate published daily is the 14 day cumulative number of new cases based upon those tested not on those within the whole population that are estimated to have the disease, that surveys such as that from the ONS calculate. Unless you can find data similar to the ONS research for all other European countries you simply cannot make that comparison. I'm not supporting the way that quarantine policy is applied - far from it - but the data has to be like-for-like to mean anything.
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From the BBC
The UK is hoping to bring in mass testing to help ease restrictions, the health secretary has said.
“This is a really, really important drive that we have across government," Matt Hancock told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
He said testing people regularly could allow measures such as quarantining for arrivals from high-risk countries to be lifted.
Hancock added that new technologies, such as faster tests, where results can come back in minutes, were being looked at, and the government was planning to ramp up testing for the remainder of the year..
Now why didn't somebody think of that before!! Better late than never if it materialises.
The UK is hoping to bring in mass testing to help ease restrictions, the health secretary has said.
“This is a really, really important drive that we have across government," Matt Hancock told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
He said testing people regularly could allow measures such as quarantining for arrivals from high-risk countries to be lifted.
Hancock added that new technologies, such as faster tests, where results can come back in minutes, were being looked at, and the government was planning to ramp up testing for the remainder of the year..
Now why didn't somebody think of that before!! Better late than never if it materialises.
From the BBC
The UK is hoping to bring in mass testing to help ease restrictions, the health secretary has said.
“This is a really, really important drive that we have across government," Matt Hancock told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
He said testing people regularly could allow measures such as quarantining for arrivals from high-risk countries to be lifted.
Hancock added that new technologies, such as faster tests, where results can come back in minutes, were being looked at, and the government was planning to ramp up testing for the remainder of the year..
Now why didn't somebody think of that before!! Better late than never if it materialises.
The UK is hoping to bring in mass testing to help ease restrictions, the health secretary has said.
“This is a really, really important drive that we have across government," Matt Hancock told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
He said testing people regularly could allow measures such as quarantining for arrivals from high-risk countries to be lifted.
Hancock added that new technologies, such as faster tests, where results can come back in minutes, were being looked at, and the government was planning to ramp up testing for the remainder of the year..
Now why didn't somebody think of that before!! Better late than never if it materialises.
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Is this down to where the pax are coming from? It’s my observation on frequent travels there that Italy receives far more flights from Albania, former Yugoslavia and Ukraine than we do in the UK and they are more problem areas at the moment. The troublespot we have in common is Romania. On the other hand we seem to have much greater immigration than Italy from Central Europe, Poland and the Baltics which touchwood have managed the virus much better.
Croatia goes onto the naughty step and if travelling back to Scotland folk travelling back to Switzerland will have to quarantine.
But Portugal removed from Q requirements - launch the fleet! (From BBC)
But Portugal removed from Q requirements - launch the fleet! (From BBC)