Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Misc. Forums > Airlines, Airports & Routes
Reload this Page >

Coronavirus Impact on Air Travel

Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Coronavirus Impact on Air Travel

Old 24th Apr 2020, 10:15
  #661 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Luton/Tenerife
Posts: 961
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Current proposals by Canarian Government....The Canary Islands will 'implant' a virtual chip for tourists to monitor their stay on the islands. An 'app' on mobile phones will show where the tourist is staying, has eaten or visited. The Ministry of Tourism is already studying the details to make the software easy to use. The Archipelago intends to go one step beyond the mere health passport so that those who travel to the Islands will not only have to prove that they are free of the COVID-19 before getting on the plane but, in addition, they will be monitored from the moment they land. The regional executive sees these tests as essential.
ericlday is online now  
Old 26th Apr 2020, 18:25
  #662 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Edinburgh
Age: 65
Posts: 264
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by helipixman
Remember 911 when a visible attack happened in the US all aircraft were grounded almost immediately. Now we have an Invisible attacker which has the potential to kill far more people planes are being allowed to fly WHY ????
Remember this quote I made back in March 2020. It seems the US and maybe the UK did things too late regarding the Lockdown ? We should have learnt something by watching the rest of the World, particularly Europe but did'nt.

Having looked tonight at a few flight tracking programmes, the average amount of aircraft flying in the UK was no more than 50 ! A fair number of them were Cargo flights and Emergency helicopters, many overflights and a few light aircraft. Scotland where I live had none for most of the day. WELL DONE UK

Then I looked at the US and I know its a far bigger country, there were on average 1,500 ? Plenty of regional airliners. From the head of the country to the general public I don't think many of them really get it. Plenty going into New York and Florida. With 40,000 deaths and growing, when will they get it and stop protesting to end lockdown. I am just glad I do not live there and have a Scottish Government who are protecting their people by not ending lockdown too soon. After all said, lives are very important, finance will recover - it always does in time, once you die who cares about finance !!
helipixman is offline  
Old 26th Apr 2020, 18:47
  #663 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: hector's house
Posts: 172
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by helipixman
Remember this quote I made back in March 2020. It seems the US and maybe the UK did things too late regarding the Lockdown ? We should have learnt something by watching the rest of the World, particularly Europe but did'nt.

Having looked tonight at a few flight tracking programmes, the average amount of aircraft flying in the UK was no more than 50 ! A fair number of them were Cargo flights and Emergency helicopters, many overflights and a few light aircraft. Scotland where I live had none for most of the day. WELL DONE UK

Then I looked at the US and I know its a far bigger country, there were on average 1,500 ? Plenty of regional airliners. From the head of the country to the general public I don't think many of them really get it. Plenty going into New York and Florida.
The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act requires Continuation of service requirements — The Secretary of the US Department of Transportation may require, to the extent reasonable and practicable, an air carrier receiving a loan, or loan guarantee, or payroll protection grant to maintain levels of scheduled air transportation service as the Secretary of Transportation deems necessary to ensure that services to any point served by that carrier before March 1, 2020 are continued. When determining whether to exercise this authority, the Secretary of Transportation shall consider the air transportation needs of small and remote communities and the need to maintain well-functioning health care and pharmaceutical supply chains. The Secretary of Transportation's authority to require air carriers to maintain certain levels of service expires on March 1, 2022.
hec7or is offline  
Old 26th Apr 2020, 20:13
  #664 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: A little South of North
Posts: 275
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
helipaxman, and also bear in mind that a great majority of these flights are most likely not operating with full loads. Possibly quite the contrary.
Pistonprop is offline  
Old 26th Apr 2020, 20:22
  #665 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Edinburgh
Age: 65
Posts: 264
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
If all of the 1,500 flights are medical or cargo then fine, but I doubt it. And with government assisted air carriers receiving loans to maintain a level of scheduled transport with passengers they are then paying to spread the virus. Its a matter of what is essential. Take it here in Scotland, a major Airport, Edinburgh last week had most days without any passenger movements. Thats the one of the ways to stop spreading the virus.
America has the most deaths from COVID 19 and I am sure if this air traffic continues it will get far worse. 54,974 deaths and nearly 1 million reported cases already the highest anywhere in the World. American population 328 million (54,974 deaths), UK population 66.5 million (20,000 deaths) China population 1.4 billion and only 4,600 deaths (if you believe that). Some thing early on went horribly wrong in both the UK and US, its like oh ! it won't happen to us, act before its too late, do not ease lockdown. Fortunately the UK is doing so now. The US seems to be a different story ?
helipixman is offline  
Old 26th Apr 2020, 20:57
  #666 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,843
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Around 40,000 Americans die each year due to gunshots so what did Americans do at the start of the Coronavirus? While we were queuing for toilet rolls they were queuing to buy more guns. No lockdown in the States due to gun deaths.


China population 1.4 billion and only 4,600 deaths (if you believe that). Some thing early on went horribly wrong in both the UK and the US
We are not a Communist state where they could shut off parts of the country and duff up the locals who broke restrictions.
LTNman is offline  
Old 27th Apr 2020, 11:32
  #667 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Edinburgh
Age: 65
Posts: 264
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by LTNman
We are not a Communist state where they could shut off parts of the country and duff up the locals who broke restrictions.
Very true, but it may happen here in the UK soon, Nicola Sturgeon has threatened to shut the country off from England by closing the border if England ease the lockdown too early.





helipixman is offline  
Old 27th Apr 2020, 11:40
  #668 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: U.K
Posts: 782
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by helipixman
Very true, but it may happen here in the UK soon, Nicola Sturgeon has threatened to shut the country off from England by closing the border if England ease the lockdown too early.
She can threaten all she likes, but she absolutly no power to do it.
The96er is offline  
Old 27th Apr 2020, 11:50
  #669 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Blighty
Posts: 5,675
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 17 Posts
Spain has imposed various restrictions that effectively forbid UK passport holders from entering Spain as tourists. Yes there are exceptions, but most Brits who go for a week of sun on the beach are caught by this

Suppose an airline has sold tickets for a flight from the UK to Spain, with a travel date during the lockdown, and decides to operate the flight instead of cancelling. I'm NOT thinking specifically of Wizz/Tenerife here, it's a more general question

Who is liable in the event of a pax being refused entry to the country ? Airline or pax ?
If a pax checks in online with a UK/EU passport and recives a boarding card, is the airline entitled to refuse boarding at the gate ?
Can the airline decline a refund on the grounds that the seat was available and said flight operated, and use the get-out that responsibility for compliance with immigration rules lies with the passenger and not the airline ?
davidjohnson6 is offline  
Old 27th Apr 2020, 12:11
  #670 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Luton/Tenerife
Posts: 961
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Your contract with the airline is to transport you safely from A to B. It is upto the individual to ensure the correct visa/residencias etc are in order. Well thats my understanding of the simple rules of the consumer.
ericlday is online now  
Old 27th Apr 2020, 12:17
  #671 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Hadley's Hope, LV426
Posts: 167
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by helipixman
Very true, but it may happen here in the UK soon, Nicola Sturgeon has threatened to shut the country off from England by closing the border if England ease the lockdown too early.
Can't/won't happen. No legislation to do so and nobody to physically enforce it. Political willy-waving from Pointless Nicola and the Pointless Parliament which has been reduced to merely parroting anything that No.10 puts out and making silly statements such as the above.

Where's the exit plan?
TelsBoy is offline  
Old 27th Apr 2020, 12:18
  #672 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Hadley's Hope, LV426
Posts: 167
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Spain has imposed various restrictions that effectively forbid UK passport holders from entering Spain as tourists. Yes there are exceptions, but most Brits who go for a week of sun on the beach are caught by this

Suppose an airline has sold tickets for a flight from the UK to Spain, with a travel date during the lockdown, and decides to operate the flight instead of cancelling. I'm NOT thinking specifically of Wizz/Tenerife here, it's a more general question

Who is liable in the event of a pax being refused entry to the country ? Airline or pax ?
If a pax checks in online with a UK/EU passport and recives a boarding card, is the airline entitled to refuse boarding at the gate ?
Can the airline decline a refund on the grounds that the seat was available and said flight operated, and use the get-out that responsibility for compliance with immigration rules lies with the passenger and not the airline ?
I can't see any airline operating this until states begin to lift restrictions.
TelsBoy is offline  
Old 27th Apr 2020, 12:18
  #673 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,515
Received 77 Likes on 53 Posts
Depends on what the restrictions are - isn't an airline required to ensure you have the right (immigration?) status to enter the country
SWBKCB is offline  
Old 27th Apr 2020, 12:36
  #674 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Oban, Scotland
Posts: 1,842
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by TelsBoy
Can't/won't happen. No legislation to do so and nobody to physically enforce it. Political willy-waving from Pointless Nicola and the Pointless Parliament which has been reduced to merely parroting anything that No.10 puts out and making silly statements such as the above.

Where's the exit plan?
She was asked the question and she made it quite clear that she had no power to do so, even if she wanted to. Oddly enough it would be much easier than, say, between northern Ireland and Eire, because there are only a few crossing points.
Don't believe the newspapers.
inOban is online now  
Old 27th Apr 2020, 12:53
  #675 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: australia
Posts: 391
Received 28 Likes on 17 Posts
Air travel, what's that? There isn't any coming in or going out from Australia. We have shut the border. Just some mercy flights bring home stranded Aussies.
Our interstate borders are also travel restricted.
golder is online now  
Old 27th Apr 2020, 13:52
  #676 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Edinburgh
Age: 65
Posts: 264
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
I know Nicola Sturgeon was only hinting at the borders being shut off to England, who knows what might have happened if she got Independence. Lets hope she is not close friends with Mr Trump together they would rebuild Hadrians wall
helipixman is offline  
Old 27th Apr 2020, 14:02
  #677 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Ferrara
Posts: 8,367
Received 355 Likes on 206 Posts
"together they would rebuild Hadrians wall"

All of which lies in England - it's an hour drive from Pons Aelius to Scotland friends..............
Asturias56 is offline  
Old 27th Apr 2020, 14:17
  #678 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Edinburgh
Age: 65
Posts: 264
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Being in England wouldnt stop either of them, they seem to do what they want !
helipixman is offline  
Old 27th Apr 2020, 17:06
  #679 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Scotland
Age: 64
Posts: 261
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by helipixman
I know Nicola Sturgeon was only hinting at the borders being shut off to England, who knows what might have happened if she got Independence. Lets hope she is not close friends with Mr Trump together they would rebuild Hadrians wall
What complete and utter bollocks. I've been following the debate closely and at no time have I heard Miss Sturgeon even hint at a closed border. In fact she has been constantly supporting a four nations approach across the UK . If it has been hinted at then I'd like to see the evidence - sounds more like the media twisting her comments. And as regards being friends with Mr Trump you obviously don't know your Scottish politics despite being from Edinburgh.
ScotsSLF is offline  
Old 27th Apr 2020, 19:35
  #680 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Edinburgh
Age: 65
Posts: 264
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by ScotsSLF
What complete and utter bollocks. I've been following the debate closely and at no time have I heard Miss Sturgeon even hint at a closed border. In fact she has been constantly supporting a four nations approach across the UK . If it has been hinted at then I'd like to see the evidence - sounds more like the media twisting her comments. And as regards being friends with Mr Trump you obviously don't know your Scottish politics despite being from Edinburgh.
Firstly I do not like your tone, the use of bad lanquage "Bollocks" is disgraceful on this site. However I feel I have never resorted to bad language to get a point across.
She must have said something because every Newspaper is reporting it even the Scottish ones, websites etc. You must have seen it or perhaps don't want to. Get your facts straight I didn't say she was friends with Mr Trump. I said I hope she is not and what has that got to do with me living in Edinburgh and not knowing anything about Scottish Politics either, perhaps you might like to slag me off for being English too. I also watch the Government media and press reviews so know what I see.
helipixman is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.