Coronavirus Impact on Air Travel
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2m is unreasonable if it makes commercial aviation unviable as well as other swathes of the economy.
You say it was not made up on the spur - I previously posted a direct quote from a man who was in the room saying it actually was made up. Were you there too? Good! Perhaps you could share with us the scientific evidence that was used that threw doubt on the WHO guidance and led to an economy wrecking doubling of that WHO guidance.
As for those posters who are afraid that people flyiing circuits in Cessnas and microlights might spread the virus - words fail me. It seems a section of the population has completely lost the plot.
Perhaps those ultra-terrified folks who are scared beyond rationality could go off and live a hermit's life on a croft on a remote island, forage off the land and drink from a stream whilst the rest of us try and fix the economy. You lock yourself away; you self-isolate. Those at little or no risk (the young / the fit) should not have to pay the price for your fears and insecurity. There is no such thing as 'no risk' in any walk of life.
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The likelihood of transmission depends not only on the distance, but also on the time spent in proximity to the source. I read that a few minutes at one metre is no more risky than an hour at 2. ( I may have got the exact numbers wrong). You could argue that there is no safe distance within a 737/320 over a three hour journey.
A lot also depends on air flow in a confined space, such as a plane.
A group of cases traced to a dining area in Gwangzhou had some cases at several metres, because the ventilation system blew air that way.
And the original spreader was symptomless.
A lot also depends on air flow in a confined space, such as a plane.
A group of cases traced to a dining area in Gwangzhou had some cases at several metres, because the ventilation system blew air that way.
And the original spreader was symptomless.
2m is unreasonable if it makes commercial aviation unviable as well as other swathes of the economy.
The majority of countries adopted 1.5m - their outcomes have been better than the UK. What is wrong with WHO guidelines when they are based on scientific evidence?
Adopting 1.5m would have been more reasonable, from a reopening standpoint. Think about it; in a space of length 6m you can fit 3 people / operatives at 2m spacing, but at 1.5 metres that increases to 5 people. All industrial sectors would be in a much better place when it comes to reopening profitably. Doesn't really apply to sitting in an aeroplane of course, but might help capacity management in terminals, bars, restaurants and other airport related retail. And with airport operators, retail = revenue.
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I'm absolutely amazed that so many people appear to understand the 2 metre rule!
Adopting 1.5m would have been more reasonable, from a reopening standpoint. Think about it; in a space of length 6m you can fit 3 people / operatives at 2m spacing, but at 1.5 metres that increases to 5 people. All industrial sectors would be in a much better place when it comes to reopening profitably. Doesn't really apply to sitting in an aeroplane of course, but might help capacity management in terminals, bars, restaurants and other airport related retail. And with airport operators, retail = revenue.
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I know people still quote their height in feet and inches, and weigh babies in pounds and ounces, but the imperial system hasn't been taught in schools for fifty years. And anyone who works in industry uses only metric.
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It seems Greece has put the UK on a blacklist of countries not allowed for tourism until Boris Johnson has the UK part of the pandemic under control. Guess not many people will be going to Greece then !!! (Me included) All international flights to resume on 1st July for the countries who have not been excluded. UK tourists make up a huge amount for the Greek economy. I love going to Greece and just hope this does not send them into another financial meltdown. My friends in Greece have told me that when I get my voucher it should be saved for next year ! They say it would not be a very relaxing holiday in 2020
With the current FCO advice we would not be allowed to go anyway ?
BTW ATNotts the 1.5m rule would be great, I have a friend who does not do much at the moment during lockdown, he is exactly 1.5m tall, if I were allowed I could take him everywhere and use him as a measuring stick
With the current FCO advice we would not be allowed to go anyway ?
BTW ATNotts the 1.5m rule would be great, I have a friend who does not do much at the moment during lockdown, he is exactly 1.5m tall, if I were allowed I could take him everywhere and use him as a measuring stick
Showing your age a bit? I’m 54, and was only taught in metric (though we knew what feet and inches were). Not sure what percentage of the population are my age or under, but as you say you can add in over 54s with a scientific background, so a big chunk of the population in total.
Go back to Yards, feet and inches and Pounds, ounces etc The country will be shopping like zombies !
Speaking to the Health Select Committee, Sir Patrick Vallance said that spending six seconds stood one metre away from a person carries the same risk as minute spent two metres apart.
He added: “The risk at one metre is about 10 to 30 times higher than the risk at two metres, so social distancing is an important part of this.”
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Oddly enough, the railway may use metric for the track gauge (1450mm rather than 4ft8 1/2) but they still use miles and chains for distance.
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We wouldn't need to obsess about this 2m separation and associated costs (!) if we all just wore a face mask.
face masks can help prevent transmission from infected people to others. So if everyone wears them - job done.
face masks can help prevent transmission from infected people to others. So if everyone wears them - job done.
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If you look at Hong Kong as a case study where 99% of the population wear face masks - some small bars are closed but large restaurants, cinemas, gyms and schools are open with little or no distancing.
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The science of wearing a Facemask is not 100% within the scientific community, but no doubt there benifits in certain circumstances, however, let's be honest about this, the wearing of mask does not sit well within western cultures regardless of any percieved merits. The act of covering ones face really goes against our national psyche as the face is paramount to communication and also feeds into the debate around face coverings for religious reasons. I for one will not be comfortable in a society of face mask wearers and I know I'm not the only one. The images of the pretty young weather girl in the Czech Republic on T.V wearing a mask are quite frankly rediculous.
Showing your age a bit? I’m 54, and was only taught in metric (though we knew what feet and inches were). Not sure what percentage of the population are my age or under, but as you say you can add in over 54s with a scientific background, so a big chunk of the population in total.
